Analysis of NYC
“First Responder” Accounts
Of FDNY and EMS Personnel
on 9/11/01

Compiled by Andrew Johnson (ad.johnson@ntlworld.com)

 

with Contributions by

 

Morgan Reynolds

Russ Gerst

Jeff Strahl

CB Brooklyn

Cathy Palmer


September 2007

 

Table of Contents

1.    Introduction.. 4

1.1      Initiation. 4

1.2      Tribute. 5

1.3      Rationale. 5

1.4      Method of Data Collection and Analysis. 5

1.5      Data Considerations. 6

2.    Numbers of Witnesses Reporting Site and Sound of Plane Crashes.. 7

2.1      Witness Account Sample Size and Note about Numbers. 7

2.2      Assumptions. 7

2.3      Percentage Calculations. 7

2.4      Access Database Queries. 7

2.5      Witnesses To Plane 1 (NOT on TV)8

2.6      Witnesses to Plane 2 (before impact) – those within ½ mile of WTC Complex. 9

2.7      Witnesses to Plane 2 (before impact) – those further than ½ mile of WTC Complex. 11

2.8      Other Considerations Related to Plane Impact Witnesses. 12

2.9      Other Witnesses Who Were Not Sure About The Incidence of Plane Crashes. 13

2.10    Anomalous Accounts of Plane Sightings and Impacts. 15

3.    Additional Studies of Accounts Separate to Reports of Plane Impacts.. 19

3.1      Accounts Mentioning a “Missile” or “Rocket”. 19

3.2      Selected Accounts Mentioning “Plane Parts” and Luggage/Suitcases. 19

3.3      Accounts Mentioning “Landing Gear”. 20

3.4      Accounts Mentioning FBI Agents and the Possible “3rd Plane”. 21

3.5      Accounts Mentioning Hearing the F-15’s. 23

3.6      Accounts Containing Redacted Portions. 24

3.7      Accounts Mentioning Car Fires After WTC Destruction. 24

3.8      Account Mentioning Building 7 Was Expected to Collapse. 25

3.9      Accounts Mentioning Descriptions of Debris. 26

3.10    Accounts Not Mentioning Loud Explosions as Towers Were Coming Down. 27

4.    Conclusions.. 29

4.1      Plane Accounts. 29

4.2      Accounts with Redacted Portions. 29

4.3      Accounts Mentioning Collapse of Towers. 29

4.4      Other Accounts Raising Suspicion or Concern. 30

4.5      Overall Conclusion. 30

5.    Appendix A - Further Technical Details of Data Analysis.. 31

5.1      Initial PDF Text Searching. 31

5.2      PDF Conversion Software – Converting to Raw Text Format31

5.3      Text Layout Processing. 31

5.4      Text Searching. 31

5.5      Collation of Data in Microsoft Excel32

5.6      Use of Microsoft Access Database. 32

6.    Appendix B - Witness Account Details.. 35

6.1      Witnesses to Plane 1. 35

6.2      Witnesses to Plane 2 (before impact) – those further than ½ mile of WTC Complex. 47

6.3      Other Analyses. 49

7.    Appendix C - List of Witness Accounts/File Numbers.. 50

8.    References.. 59

 

List of Tables

Table 2‑1 Duplicate Witness Accounts Found. 7

Table 2‑2 List of Witnesses To Plane 1. 8

Table 2‑3 List of Witnesses Who Reported Hearing Plane 1. 8

Table 2‑4 Counts of Witnesses Near or Inside WTC at Time of 2nd Impact9

Table 2‑5 List of Witnesses near WTC Who Reported Seeing Plane 2. 9

Table 2‑6 List of Witnesses near WTC Who Reported Hearing Plane 2. 10

Table 2‑7 List of Witnesses near WTC Who Reported Seeing and Hearing Plane 2. 10

Table 2‑8 List of Witnesses Inside WTC Who Reported Hearing Plane 2. 11

Table 2‑9 List of Witnesses further than ½ mile from WTC Complex Who Saw Plane 2. 11

Table 2‑10 List of Witnesses further than ½ mile from WTC Complex Who Heard Plane 2. 12

Table 2‑11 List of Witnesses Near WTC Who Weren’t Initially Sure They Saw a Plane Crash on the 2nd Impact12

Table 2‑12 List of Other Witnesses Who Were Not Sure About The Incidence of Plane Crashes. 13

Table 3‑1 Accounts With Redacted Portions. 24

List of Figures

Figure 5‑1 PRGrep Text File Searcher31

Figure 5‑2 Microsoft Excel Data Collation. 32

Figure 5‑3 Access Database Witness Data Capture Form.. 33

Figure 5‑4 Access Database Query Design. 34

Figure 5‑5 Access Database Query SQL. 34

 

1.                                  Introduction

1.1                          Initiation

This study was proposed by Attorney Jerry Leaphart, in September 2007, as a way of determining more information about the supposed plane impacts on the WTC Towers on 9/11/2001. Jerry brought to our attention the accounts / “oral histories” as given by “First Responders” to the 9/11 Tragedy, as posted on the New York Times Website, at the link given below.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html

These accounts were published on 12th August 2005.

Jerry originally tasked the people listed above with analysing the accounts of the responders listed on the Web Page above to determine the following:

a)      Those who described seeing and hearing a jetliner.

b)      Those who described seeing a jetliner but hearing only an explosion or sounds inconsistent with a jet.

c)      Those who described seeing only an explosion and asserting or surmising a jet.

d)      Those who described hearing an explosion and saying either saw no jet or not sure of jet presence.

e)      Those who described seeing an explosion and saying either saw no jet or didn't think jet was present.

f)        Those who described seeing an explosion and were perplexed by a report that a jet was involved either because didn't see one or didn't hear one or both.

g)      Other variations.

Other people on the list worked through sets of accounts and submitted a list of comments and noteworthy accounts, which seemed to either have inconsistencies, or some elements which did not make sense.

As the analysis continued, the scope was expanded some what to include such things as:

·         Reference to “Missile” or “Rocket”

·         Reports of “Plane Parts” and Luggage/Suitcases

·         Reports of Seeing Landing Gear

·         Reports of FBI Agents and the Possible “3rd Plane”

·         Hearing the F-15’s

The witness accounts of the latter are particularly interesting to compare to their accounts of the sound of the 2nd Boeing, before impact.

1.2                          Tribute

Whatever the conclusions of this study and however it is interpreted, we must pay a large tribute and debt of thanks to those people who responded on the day of 9/11 and the lives they undoubtedly saved and the injuries they helped to prevent.

At one level there is a desire to dispassionately analyze the data and evidence to determine what happened on 9/11, but at another it is worth remembering that the witnesses concerned did not know what they were going into and how terrible the events would become, as they unfolded. At another level, however, the very nature and execution of the 9/11 Black Operation can also be considered as being a “Psy-Op” – the disturbing reality of which was deliberately designed to discourage us from thinking about and studying the events of that day.

1.3                          Rationale

The study was undertaken because of the already compelling data, evidence and arguments which very strongly suggest that the stories of large jet planes striking both WTC towers are at best suspect and at worst fake. See references 1 - 4 for further analysis of some of this evidence.

We therefore wanted to try and determine how well a range of eyewitness and ear-witness accounts supported the other evidence, and what other information we could glean from these accounts.

This study therefore tried to determine:

1.             The numbers of witnesses that were within ½ mile of the WTC buildings when the supposed plane impacts took place.

2.             The number of witnesses who reported seeing a plane.

3.             The number of witnesses who reported hearing a plane.

1.4                          Method of Data Collection and Analysis

1.4.1                     Data Collection

A more detailed description of the method of data collection is given in Section 5. In summary:

1.             Over 500 PDF files were downloaded from the New York Times page referenced in section 1.1.

2.             These PDF files were converted to raw text format for easier searching.

It was noted that there were some errors in the construction of the New York Times page, with 1 account not being properly linked to the web page e.g. 9110232 (Kevin Martin). Additionally, when all the files were downloaded, it was noticed the accounts were indexed up to 9110511, but there were breaks in the sequence. Therefore, substitute links were created on a local web page, resulting in several additional PDF files being downloaded from the New York Times website which were not linked to the page above.

1.4.2                     Data Analysis

Software to search the text files (“PRGREP”) was employed as follows:

1.             The text files were searched for all references, initially, to the word “plane”, “jet”, “aircraft”, “airplane”, and “airliner”.

2.             These accounts were then quickly scanned to establish what the location of the witness was when they saw or heard about the planes. (The great majority saw or heard about the 1st plane on TV or radio or emergency services radio. A large majority heard about or saw the 2nd plane on TV).

3.             Where the location of the witness could not be determined accurately enough, the account was not included in the overall figures. In the accounts used, where reference to an exact street or location such as “opposite WTC 1” or “outside WTC 7” or “on the BQE”, the witnesses discussion of seeing or hearing a plane was then determined.

4.             This information was copied into an Excel spreadsheet, which was in turn converted into an Microsoft Access (2000) Database, which gives a large number of options for analysing, processing and formatting the data, as shown in later sections.

5.             Queries were designed to select the information regarding the witness accounts of planes. A further documenting of the results of these queries can be found in section 6.

6.             As the accounts were analysed, other points of interest (such as reference to burning cars, FBI agents and passenger luggage) were noted.

1.5                          Data Considerations

1.5.1                     Times accounts were given

The first account was recorded on the 9th of October 2001 and final account was recorded on 1st Feb 2002, which was over 4 months after 9/11.

1.5.2                     Conditions under which accounts were recorded

The accounts were recorded by FDNY personnel, when the witnesses were not under oath and they were taken without cross-examination.

1.5.3                     Ambiguity

There is some ambiguity in the data, due to some witnesses not making clear exactly what they saw. In some cases, it is possible that they did see “something” and didn’t report it when they were giving their accounts, as their minds were focused on describing some other part of their experience.

1.5.4                     Trauma / Affectation of Witnesses

Some consideration has to be given, in some cases, to the idea that some witnesses’ accounts or memories of the day may have been affected by the unique nature of the tragedy as it unfolded and what they themselves were part of. From studying the accounts, however, there only seem to be a few cases where this may have affected what the witnesses reported regarding the “plane impacts”.

In cases where witness accounts seemed to be unclear – e.g. it appeared they must have been at or near the WTC complex around the time of the 2nd impact, but they don’t mention anything about it in their accounts (perhaps due to the traumatic events), then these accounts were not used in determining the numbers given in the Section 2.

2.                                  Numbers of Witnesses Reporting Site and Sound of Plane Crashes

2.1                          Witness Account Sample Size and Note about Numbers

A total of 505 accounts were downloaded (a different figure to that listed on the New York times page). 4 of these were determined to be “repeat” accounts – for some reason, the same person was interviewed twice, on different dates:

Table 2‑1 Duplicate Witness Accounts Found

9110023

Dorritie, Robert

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

10/09/2001

9110299

Dorritie, Robert

Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.)

12/11/2001

9110053

McGovern, Kevin

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

10/11/2001

9110301

McGovern, Kevin

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/11/2001

9110032

Salvador, Robert

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

10/10/2001

9110474

Salvador, Robert

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

1/18/02

 

9110360

Whelan, Brendan

Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.)

12/17/01

 

9110109

Whelan, Brendan

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

10/17/01

Discounting these left a total sample size of 501 accounts. The words “plane jet airplane aircraft” were found in 426 accounts, 1770 times.

The final account sample size was used for the “witnesses to a plane” study (discussed in this section) was 291. Accounts were chosen with a view to mainly focusing on those who gave an exact or unambiguous location when reporting seeing “plane” 1 or 2. A few of those who simply described seeing the impacts on TV were left out, but some were included – the main focus of the study was on those who were close to where the 2nd impact happened.

2.2                          Assumptions

It is reasonable to assume that there would be far more people who reported seeing the 2nd plane than the first, due to attention being focused on the unfolding disaster.

2.3                          Percentage Calculations

These were only done for those accounts concerned with the 2nd plane, as it would be expected more people would have been paying attention for a plane noise at this time, and more people were closer to where the plane was.

2.4                          Access Database Queries

In the following sections, queries used for the Access database are referenced in the headings.


 

2.5                          Witnesses To Plane 1 (NOT on TV)

2.5.1                     Witnesses Who Reported Seeing Plane 1 before impact (NOT on TV) (Query A1)

16 witnesses reported seeing the 1st plane before impact. Segments of their accounts can be read in Section 6.1.1.

Table 2‑2 List of Witnesses To Plane 1

File No

Witness Name

Location of Witness when talking of Plane 1 (if known)

9110058

Cohen, Marc

59th Street bridge

9110081

Larocco, Robert

Stuyvesant Street Near Church

9110135

Pastor, Frank

Red Hook

9110138

Pfeifer, Joseph

Lispenard St

9110139

Hayden, Peter

Firehouse

9110151

Loutsky, Alexander

Pearl Street

9110273

Puma, Frank

Barclay between Church and Broadway

9110303

Ramos, Ralph

Pearl St

9110307

Weldon, Richard

Long Island Expressway

9110412

Curran, James

Church Street

9110419

Carletti, Richard

Crossing Delancey Street

9110426

Borrillo, Nicholas

Church and Lispenard St

9110430

Casaliggi, Joseph

Church Street Near Canal

9110442

Walsh, William

Lispenard Street and Church.

9110445

Spinard, Thomas

Church and Leonard

9110460

Escoffery, Kenneth

Quarters of Ladder 20

2.5.2                     Witnesses Who Reported Hearing Plane 1 before impact (NOT on TV) (Query A2)

16 witnesses reported hearing the 1st plane before impact. Segments of their accounts can be read in Section 6.1.2.

Table 2‑3 List of Witnesses Who Reported Hearing Plane 1

File No

Witness Name

Location of Witness when talking of Plane 1 (if known)

9110009

Murad, Murray

Firehouse

9110034

Zanat, John

Firehouse

9110081

Larocco, Robert

Stuyvesant Street Near Church

9110138

Pfeifer, Joseph

Lispenard St

9110139

Hayden, Peter

Firehouse

9110223

Smith, Warren

Firehouse

9110273

Puma, Frank

Barclay between Church and Broadway

9110343

Rivera, Terence

Outside quarters

9110388

Fallucca, Peter

Engine 16 quarters, Manhattan

9110412

Curran, James

Church Street

9110414

Brogan, Derek

19th Street

9110426

Borrillo, Nicholas

Church and Lispenard St

9110430

Casaliggi, Joseph

Church Street Near Canal

9110442

Walsh, William

Lispenard Street and Church

9110445

Spinard, Thomas

Church and Leonard St

9110460

Escoffery, Kenneth

Quarters of Ladder 20

2.5.3                     Witnesses who Reported Seeing and Hearing Plane 1 Before Impact (Query A3)

1 Witness reported seeing and hearing plane 1 before impact. A segment of his accounts can be read in Section 6.1.3.

File No

Witness Name

Location of Witness when talking of Plane 1 (if known)

9110445

Spinard, Thomas

Church and Leonard St

 

2.6                          Witnesses to Plane 2 (before impact) – those within ½ mile of WTC Complex

2.6.1                     Witnesses who reported being near or inside WTC at the time of The 2nd Impact (Queries B1 and B2)

Table 2‑4 Counts of Witnesses Near or Inside WTC at Time of 2nd Impact

Near WTC at time of 2nd impact

96

Inside WTC at time of 2nd impact

21

Near or Inside WTC at time of 2nd impact

117

2.6.2                     Witnesses near WTC Who Reported Seeing Plane 2 before impact (NOT on TV) - Query B3

Segments of their accounts can be read in Section 6.1.5.

Number of Witnesses: 19

Percentage of Total Near WTC = 19/96 = 20%

Table 2‑5 List of Witnesses near WTC Who Reported Seeing Plane 2

File No

Witness Name

Location of Witness when talking of Plane 2 (if known)

9110015

Harris, Russel

City Hall Near WTC

9110041

Felton, Jarjean

Westside Highway - under pedestrian bridge near WTC

9110042

Pinkus, Jace

Vesey St near WTC

9110047

Cruz, Allan

Corner of Fulton and Church near WTC

9110054

Wright, Decosta

West Side Highway near WTC

9110075

Davila, Rene

Near WTC

9110100

Gombo, Jerry

West Street near WTC

9110113

Sweeney, Frank

Near WTC

9110114

Holowach, Scott

Near WTC - Pedestrian Bridge,

9110134

Blacksberg, David

Across the street near WTC 1

9110142

Turi, Albert

Corner of Fulton and Church near WTC

9110154

Nigro, Daniel

West side of West Street Near WTC

9110156

Timothy, David

Between Fulton and Dey on Church St Near WTC

9110164

Cunniffe, Sean

Near WTC

9110177

Burgos, Freddy

West Street Near WTC

9110195

Callan, Joseph

Near WTC

9110215

Chiafari, Joseph

Near WTC

9110355

Ottrando, John

Near WTC

9110445

Spinard, Thomas

Near WTC - West Street


2.6.3                     Witnesses near WTC Who Reported Hearing Plane 2 before impact (NOT on TV)

Segments of their accounts can be read in Section 6.1.6.

Number of Witnesses: 20

Percentage of Total Near WTC = 20/96 = 21%

Table 2‑6 List of Witnesses near WTC Who Reported Hearing Plane 2

File No

Witness Name

Plane 2 Sound Heard

Location of Witness when talking of Plane 2 (if known)

9110001

Fitzpatrick, Thomas

outrageous noise

Dey Street Near WTC

9110009

Murad, Murray

Tremendous Roar

West Street/Liberty St Near WTC

9110013

Bartolomey, Anthony

rumbling

corner of Vesey and Church Street near WTC

9110014

Kagenaar, Chris

loud noise

Church Area near WTC

9110035

Rivera, Daniel

thunderous noise

Near WTC - 1 yard away from the south tower building

9110047

Cruz, Allan

rumble, vibration

Corner of Fulton and Church near WTC

9110114

Holowach, Scott

Plane sound

Near WTC - Pedestrian Bridge,

9110134

Blacksberg, David

 

Across the street near WTC 1

9110141

Mosiello, Steven

Throttling up

Near WTC

9110142

Turi, Albert

Similar to jet taking off

Corner of Fulton and Church near WTC

9110149

Mejias, Michael

big rush, like low flying jet

World Financial Center near WTC

9110154

Nigro, Daniel

Loud Roar

West side of West Street Near WTC

9110156

Timothy, David

Loud like an engine roar

Between Fulton and Dey on Church St Near WTC

9110164

Cunniffe, Sean

"the biggest noise I ever heard in my life"

Near WTC

9110188

Siebuhr, Laura

Low Hum

Near WTC

9110198

Sudnik, John

Plane noise

Vesey Street near WTC

9110200

Fortis, Joseph

Engine noise

Near WTC - Pedestrian Bridge

9110205

Donovan, Michael

 

Corner of Liberty and Church near WTC

9110215

Chiafari, Joseph

Engines Revved

Near WTC

9110459

Walsh, James

 

West Street near WTC

For those witnesses that describe the sound, the reports are only partly consistent, especially considering that the noise of a large commercial jet liner should be a relatively familiar one. There seemed to be more consistency among those who reported hearing the F-15/F-16     jets.

2.6.4                     Witnesses near WTC who Reported Both Seeing and Hearing Plane 2 Before Impact (Query B5)

Segments of their accounts can be read in Section 6.1.7.

Number of Witnesses: 8

Percentage of Total Near WTC = 8/96 = 8.3%

Table 2‑7 List of Witnesses near WTC Who Reported Seeing and Hearing Plane 2

File No

Witness Name

Plane 2 Sound Heard

Location of Witness when talking of Plane 2 (if known)

9110047

Cruz, Allan

rumble, vibration

Corner of Fulton and Church near WTC

9110114

Holowach, Scott

Plane sound

Near WTC - Pedestrian Bridge,

9110134

Blacksberg, David

 

Across the street near WTC 1

9110142

Turi, Albert

Similar to jet taking off

Corner of Fulton and Church near WTC

9110154

Nigro, Daniel

Loud Roar

West side of West Street Near WTC

9110156

Timothy, David

Loud like an engine roar

Between Fulton and Dey on Church St Near WTC

9110164

Cunniffe, Sean

"the biggest noise I ever heard in my life"

Near WTC

9110215

Chiafari, Joseph

Engines Revved

Near WTC

2.6.5                     Witnesses INSIDE WTC Who Reported Hearing Plane 2 before impact (NOT on TV) (Query B8)

Segments of their accounts can be read in Section 6.1.8.

Number of Witnesses: 2

Percentage of Total Inside WTC = 2/21 = 9.5%

Table 2‑8 List of Witnesses Inside WTC Who Reported Hearing Plane 2

File No

Witness Name

Plane 2 Sound Heard

9110342

Ippolito, James

Screeching Sound like a train derailing

9110414

Brogan, Derek

 

2.7                          Witnesses to Plane 2 (before impact) – those further than ½ mile of WTC Complex

There were 117 witnesses inside or near the WTC and 291 Witnesses in the total sample. The percentages in this section are therefore based on the number 291 – 117 = 174. This figure is perhaps rather less well defined than those in earlier sections, so the data discussed here should probably not be considered as reliable as in earlier parts of section 2.

2.7.1                     Those further than ½ mile from WTC Complex Who Saw Plane 2 (Query C1)

Segments of their accounts can be read in Section 6.2.1.

Number of Witnesses: 33

Percentage of Total Away from WTC = 33/174 = 19%

Table 2‑9 List of Witnesses further than ½ mile from WTC Complex Who Saw Plane 2

File No

Witness Name

Location of Witness when talking of Plane 2 (if known)

9110010

Mulqueen, Tracey

8th Floor - Fire Department headquarters in 8E13

9110040

Cooke, Alan

Battalion 31 Parking Lot

9110071

Abed, Faisel

Half Mile from WTC

9110076

Stone, Mark

Coming out of Battery Tunnel (driving)

9110086

Medjuck, Bruce

Brooklyn Bridge (driving)

9110120

Maggiore, Dominick

Brooklyn-Queens Expressway (I-278)

9110121

Diaz, Jr., Roland

Bruckner Interchange

9110122

Constantine, Peter

West Side Highway (not sure how far away, probably north)

9110127

Monchery, Alwish

Crossing 59th street bridge

9110135

Pastor, Frank

Brooklyn

9110148

D'angelo, Michael

BQE extension

9110175

Mendez, John

Nine Metrotech, Brooklyn

9110184

Brady, Greg

Coming out of Battery Park tunnel

9110186

Harrilal, Mala

Red Hook

9110192

Deshore, Karin

59 Street bridge

9110194

Mann, Bradley

Heading Towards WTC

9110202

Darnowski, Kevin

Near Battery Tunnel

9110230

Delendick, FatherJohn

Near tunnel on Hamilton Avenue

9110242

Zechewytz, Mike

Firehouse, Safety Command

9110245

Hazel, Michael

Columbia Street driving towards battery tunnel

9110249

Muschello, Dominick

Firehouse - Ladder Company 119

9110263

Rybak, Stanley

23rd Street

9110274

Gschlecht, Charles

Chambers Street

9110286

Sullivan, Joseph

Columbia Street

9110308

Kozlowski, George

Ladder 20 Firehouse

9110322

Galasso, Joseph

Engine 212 Firehouse

9110323

Murphy, James

Engine Company 212 Firehouse

9110349

Loper, David

Brooklyn Heights, underneath the promenade

9110417

Zasa, Stephen

Pier near Bay Street

9110418

Vallebuona, Tom

Quarters of Marine 9 (Across bay)

9110431

O'Flaherty, Brian

Marine Division Firehouse

9110485

Pierce, Joel

Kent Street

9110488

Burke, Timothy

Brooklyn Battery Tunnel

 

2.7.2                     Those further than ½ mile from WTC Complex Who Heard Plane 2 (Query C2)

Segments of their accounts can be read in Section 6.2.2.

Number of Witnesses: 2

Percentage of Total Away from WTC = 2/117 = 1.1%

Table 2‑10 List of Witnesses further than ½ mile from WTC Complex Who Heard Plane 2

File No

Witness Name

Plane 2 Sound Heard

Location of Witness when talking of Plane 2 (if known)

9110194

Mann, Bradley

Roar

Heading Towards WTC

9110417

Zasa, Stephen

 

Pier near Bay Street

The small number of ear witnesses may be due to the fact that many people were travelling in emergency vehicles with their sirens and horns sounding, so this may have obscured the sound of the “plane” in some cases. Further study would be required to determine a more accurate figure in this case.

2.8                          Other Considerations Related to Plane Impact Witnesses

2.8.1                     Witnesses Near WTC Who Weren’t Initially Sure They Saw a Plane Crash on the 2nd Impact (Query D2)

These were determined from parts of the account where they said “I didn’t realize it was a plane at the time” or “I only realized later it was a plane.” These accounts were marked “f” in a separate field – there may be several more, using slightly different phrasing - time limitations may have prevented finding them all.

Near means within half a mile, but most of the witness were with 200 yards of the towers. Some witnesses were inside WTC 1 at the time of 2nd impact.

Table 2‑11 List of Witnesses Near WTC Who Weren’t Initially Sure They Saw a Plane Crash on the 2nd Impact

File No

Witness Name

Location of Witness when talking of Plane 2 (if known)

9110004

Delgado, Manuel

Corner of West Broadway Near WTC

9110043

D'amato, Frank

Corner of West and Vesey near WTC

9110151

Loutsky, Alexander

West Side Highway near WTC

9110157

Broderick, Richard

West St and Vesey Street Near WTC

2.9                          Other Witnesses Who Were Not Sure About The Incidence of Plane Crashes

Quite a few witnesses reported that they didn’t realize that the second impact was that of a plane – many of them “found out later”. This is in direct contradiction to those who reported seeing plane parts, engine parts, landing gear etc (some accounts of which can be found in Section 3.2 and Section 3.3). The list given here is likely not complete. Due to the different ways witnesses described being unsure about the true nature of the crash, it was difficult to pick out keywords to easily find these accounts. (Most of these accounts were discovered in reading accounts for other parts of this study.)

Table 2‑12 List of Other Witnesses Who Were Not Sure About The Incidence of Plane Crashes

File No

Witness Name

Location of Witness when talking of Plane 2 (if known)

9110024

SORAYA ODONNELL

 

9110048 

PATRICIA ONDROVIC 

Near WTC

9110075

Rene Davila

 

9110156 

DAVID TIMOTHY

Near WTC

9110165

Robert Cook

Heading towards WTC

9110349

David Loper 

 

9110375

DAVID SANDVIK

 

9110489

ANGEL RIVERA

 

Account extracts are given below.

2.9.1                     Account of PATRICIA ONDROVIC  - File No: 9110048 

I saw a police captain that I knew, and he came out to me. He looked absolutely terrified, he was shaking, he was pale, he was sweating. I looked at him, I said what's wrong? He said there's another plane headed our way, and they just blew up the Pentagon. I said, another plane? What are you talking about? I hadn't realized that planes had hit this, I thought they just set bombs off. I didn't realize when I got there that planes hit it. I said, what do you mean another plane? He said two planes hit the World Trade Center. So I'm thinking a little Cessena. How can a little Cessena do all that damage? He said no, 757s. I said big things? See I was there for about 25 minutes before I knew that planes had crashed into this. We just got assigned to do stand-by. We didn't know what the stand-by was. I mean, who thinks something like that? You just think they hit it again. So I said, what do you mean there's another one headed this way? He said, it's on the TV, there's a TV in there and it said that the Pentagon has been hit. Then we all went outside cause they had on the police radio that there was another plane headed in our direction, we all went outside and started looking up in the sky.

2.9.2                        Account of EMT DAVID TIMOTHY - File No. 9110156 

The next thing I heard was a loud like an engine roar. I looked up, and the next thing I knew I just saw -- I don't know if it was the tail end of the plane or what, but I saw something. When I looked up, I heard ‘boom’. I'm sorry, the north tower was the first one. The south tower then got hit when we were right there.

2.9.3                        Account of FIREFIGHTER DAVID SANDVIK - File No. 9110375

Page 2: I went back into the watch, I switched the radio onto the Manhattan frequency and found out it was the World Trade Center. Then right after that the news flashed and started showing the Trade Center where the first plane hit and I started getting dressed. I got my radio on, my bunker pants on, because we normally go to Manhattan pretty quick, just for a smoke condition at the Trade Center.

Page 4: We start heading down the block and we get down to I guess about Church Street and the second plane hit, and I remember just being underneath. I never heard the motor of the plane, the sound of the engines. We just heard the explosion, you felt the explosion, and looking straight up and seeing that fireball that you see on the news, but we're underneath looking up now at it.

2.9.4                        Account of FIREFIGHTER ANGEL RIVERA - File No. 9110489

Page 2/3 Q. Angel, in your own words tell us what happened.

A. Okay. That Tuesday morning I came to work at 9:00 the 9 by 6 tour. So I was changing clothes and getting ready for work. There was excitement going in the firehouse: It's a bomb, it's a bomb, the World Trade Center is on fire. I never saw the plane hit, the first one, but I was watching the news and we were practically glued to the TV set. There were rumors it was a bomb. Some of the people said it was a plane. Some people saw the plane. We actually didn't know what happened the first time. We were here, just waiting to be called to go. The battalion chief was called first with Engine 3. They responded first. We were left behind. As the second plane hit the second tower, we were called. It was a fifth alarm on first call. We responded to the second fifth alarm going on.

2.9.5                        Account of EMT SORAYA ODONNELL - File No: 9110024

Q. Both buildings were still standing at that time?

A. Yes.

Q. Had both buildings been hit at that time?

A. Yes.

Q. Did you see the airplanes hit the buildings?

A. No, no. When I left the battalion, when I was 63, we heard someone say over the radio, we heard a bomb went off in the other building. We’re not sure if it’s a bomb and they were trying to confirm it’s another building -- it’s another airplane.

2.9.6                        Account of Rene Davila - File No: 9110075

I immediately put myself on the assignment. I ran out, jumped in the vehicle, starting responding. When I got over to Rutgers and South Street, I was able to see the building. I saw a big hole, what appeared to me at that time to have been a fire or probably secondary to an explosion. I confirmed there was an incident. I couldn't confirm it was a plane because I didn't see the plane.

2.9.7                     Account of Robert Cook - File No: 9110165

Once we got over the bridge, the second plane hit. There was an explosion. We didn't know it was a second plane.

2.9.8                     Account of David Loper  - File No: 9110349

I still thought -- I said to him, at that point, "The gas tanks exploded from the plane." That's what I thought it was at that point. It wasn't until afterwards that I realized it was a whole second plane at that time. And I didn't realize that until a couple of days later. It just didn't make sense to me.

 

2.10                 Anomalous Accounts of Plane Sightings and Impacts

2.10.1              Plane Impact Not Agreed Upon by 2 People Stood Next to Each Other

There is at least one instance of 2 people being stood close to each other and only 1 reports a plane crash.

2.10.2                  Account of Scott Holowach - File No: 9110114

At that time Chief Ganci was behind me and he thought there was another explosion in the north tower and that's when I turned around and said Chief, listen, there is a second plane that hit the other tower. He was like no no no no, we have another explosion. I said no, Chief, I witnessed it. I watched the plane hit the other tower. He is like are you sure. I said Chief, I'm 100 hundred percent positive I watched the second plane hit the other tower.

2.10.3              Account of Battalion Chief Brian O’Flaherty (File No: 9110431)

Brian O'Flaherty was located at a fire station in either Brooklyn or Queens, because he starts his account by revealing that he was looking across the East River into Manhattan. He even had to use binoculars. A portion of his account (on page 3) is redacted. Right after that, he refers to using binoculars to see people jumping.

O'Flaherty has the rank of Battalion Chief, putting him on the same level as that of Battalion Chief Stephen King who doubted the presence of a jetliner because he didn't hear one from his vantage point at the command centre in WTC1. O'Flaherty was, perhaps, too far away to hear a plane. But, despite being outside Manhattan, across the East River, he says:

Just then out of the corner of my eye, I could see this plane. I just remember the dark. It was in the shadow. It looked low. I thought, “What the heck is the guy doing?” I watched it, watched him turn and crash right into the south tower. Right away I knew it was terrorism or terrorists. I didn’t know what the first one was, but I knew what the second one was.

(Keith Murphy, File No: 9110238, also reported seeing the second plane out of “the corner of his eye”, several others mentioned the plane turning before hitting the South Tower.)

O’Flaherty also says:

I just dialed the Manhattan dispatcher. The noise in the kitchen area was too much to hear, so I just stepped through the weight room, closed the door. I identified myself and started to tell them about how many jumpers, let the division know.

I had the dispatcher on the phone. I said, “Stop talking about the jumpers. We just had a plane go into the south tower, another plane.” He said he saw it, I assume on television. We both hung up the phone. That was the end of the conversation.

I came back out from the weight room into the kitchen, hung up the phone. Now it was noisy. These guys had all seen it. The television was on at that time. Maybe they were starting to play replays. I think shortly after they played one replay. Everybody knew it was terrorism.

Also:

I got out of the car, and I told Larry I saw an FBI agent and I was going to start talking to him. I gave him my card, and he gave me a card. I said I thought that that second plane that went into the south tower was a military plane, like a transport or small cargo military.

Reporting that he saw the plane out of the corner of his eye means he did not see it directly or within the centre of his field of vision. O’Flaherty’s concludes with his assessment of why the plane was a shadow:

The reason I thought that, I found out later, the sun never shined off it. It was a dark-color plane. It ended up, I found out later, it was why. It was United Airlines. They paint their planes a dull gray and blue. I didn’t see any shine off the plane when it went from dark to sun.

2.10.4              Account of Lieutenant Sean O'Malley - File No: 9110259

This account also expresses uncertainty about a plane being involved in the 2nd impact.

I was in my apartment on the west side, at 72 Street. Just turned on Channel 1 news and they had a live video feed from, I think a traffic camera someplace north of the Trade Center complex. It showed a heavy smoke condition issuing from tower one, the north tower of the World Trade Center. Details were very sketchy at that point. The person was trying to get some information. There were still vague reports as to what caused the fire.

While I was watching, shortly after, I saw a second fire emanate from the -- the vantage point of that particular camera, I couldn't tell if it was a second fire in the north tower. I actually assumed that to be the case. It never occurred to me that there would be two fires in the two towers at the same time.

As I was running north in this park, and then I could start seeing again a little bit, and I just kept looking in the sky. Cause the captain was saying there's another plane heading in our direction, I was looking for another plane. I saw something in the sky, it was a plane, but it was way out. It looked like it was over Jersey or something, then it wasn't there anymore. I saw a small fireball, and it was gone. I saw two other planes. One came in one way, and the other came in the other way, and there was a plane in the middle that was way far off in the distance. Then the plane in the middle just disappeared into a little fire ball. It looked like the size of a golf ball from where I could see it. And the other two planes veered off into opposite directions. I just kept on running north.

2.10.5              Account of Tom McDonald – File No: 9110147

Tom McDonald does not mention roar of the plane as they were getting out of the car – it seems likely they should have been able to hear it inside the car, but all they heard was the falling of debris. If they had heard a plane and thought they might be hit by it, they would have already been ducking and jumping back into the car for cover.

We crossed over the Brooklyn Bridge, came off the bridge, went our way on to Broadway, pulled over on Broadway, approximately between Liberty and I believe Cortlandt Street. As we were getting out of the car, the second plane hit. Would have been 2 World Trade Center. Literally had to duck behind the car because metal had flown from the building to Broadway.

Guidetti, Tom Fitzpatrick and Commissioner Feehan donned helmets and their turn out gear. Ray Goldbach and myself went with them.

2.10.6              Account of Steven Mosiello – File No: 9110141

As he was describing what happened to him, he omitted the second plane hit on WTC 2.

Q. How many planes had hit at this point in time?

A. At this point there was only one plane. I was told by somebody that we had an eyewitness who happened to be an off-duty firefighter who told me that he saw the first building get hit and it was hit by a prop jet, which I think turned out to be the wrong information, but everybody sees things differently. But he said he was an eyewitness.

Then, the questioner asks about the second hit and he recalls sound, but no mention of diving for cover, the overwhelming noise, etc. Remember, he was right there:

Q. Had the second plane hit at this point?

A. Yes, yes, the second plane hit. We saw the second plane hit -- if you want me to go back to when the second plane hit. I was told by Chief Ingram, who was a terrorist and hazmat-type guy, that we [had] got to be careful of secondary explosions or secondary devices. Who knew that the secondary device would be another plane.

People actually saw the plane. You heard it, the closer it got. It just got louder and louder. I say that he throttled up as fast as he could. That's what it sounded like, but I think he became more in earshot of us. And he just came in and put the plane into the building.

2.10.7              Account of Murray Murad – File No: 9110009

This witness reported hearing a plane "hovering over the firehouse". He then talks about "revving" and then the north tower is hit. They had all this time to hear the plane, finish a shower, come downstairs, comment on the no-fly, then observe the plane hit the tower as if they were expecting it all while they heard the plane overhead to the point of impact which would have been, only a few seconds. Then, everyone left the firehouse to help out, except the Captain who knew about the no-fly zone, knew the tower was hit, and was then going to go home or man the house.

I was conducting a confidential investigation at the fire house. It was about 8:41 that we heard a plane hovering over the fire house. It sounded like the plane was right on top of us. At that time the captain was upstairs. He was taking a shower in the office and I was conducting the work with the firefighter. The captain came out and said: What's going on? This is a no-fly zone. There should be no planes over here unless this is a military plane, a plane in trouble. Other than that, there was really no clue.

So about two or three minutes after hearing it, you heard something like revving. We took a look, and, boom, the north tower is hit. So what happened was everyone left the house except for the captain, because he already had his relief. That I'm assuming is that he's going to man the house.

2.10.8              Account of Father John Delendick – File No: 9110230

He was in Brooklyn, finishing up 8:30 mass, and he then drove to the WTC

Q. Let me interrupt you for a second. Were you there when the second plane hit?

A. No. When the second plane hit, I was still in Brooklyn. I was trying to get through the tunnel on Hamilton Avenue. We saw the plane, but I never saw it hit. I remember saying to myself, boy, that guy is awful low in the pattern. I remember saying something really stupid like, you know, did he come down to see what happened with the first one? It never dawned on me that he was heading for the other tower, but that's where it was headed.

3.                                  Additional Studies of Accounts Separate to Reports of Plane Impacts

These studies were done on the collection of text files, not using the Access Database directly.

3.1                          Accounts Mentioning a “Missile” or “Rocket”

3.1.1                     Account of Anthony Bartolomey – File No: 9110013

Q.  When you arrived there, did any civilians report anything to you?

A.  Yes. Numerous civilians were telling me that a plane had hit the building. There were discrepancies as to the type of plane. Some were saying it was a Cessna or Leer jet type, a small jet plane. Some said it was a large passenger plane. One person actually said that it was like a military style plane that actually shot missiles into the building.

3.1.2                     Account of Peter Fallucca – File No: 9110388

The mention of a “fireball or something” in this account is also unusual.

It was a big fireball or something from the plane I guess, came from across the street in front of our rig, and as we get out of the rig, there's a cop, city police officer, in the street. He's telling us, "I'm getting out of here. I just saw a rocket." He said he saw it come off the Woolworth Building and hit the tower.

3.1.3                     Account of Brian Dixon - File No: 9110166

At that point I assumed you can't have two -- it can't be an accident to have two planes. So, I don't know if there's planes or missiles or what but something was hitting this thing. You saw debris was falling down.

3.2                          Selected Accounts Mentioning “Plane Parts” and Luggage/Suitcases

A number of accounts referred to both specific and non-specific plane parts. How can things like a tire have survived the conflagration, unburned?

3.2.1                     Account of  Manuel Delgado - File No:  9110004 

Right there, there was like a big engine part.  It seemed like a whole engine was right there, lying right there in the middle of the street.

Q.   Covered like the way the jet looks?

A.   Yes.  In fact, you could see the fan.  I remember that because I could see -- now, it wasn't the whole engine because the engine is big, but I know the front part of it, it looked like the whole engine because I could see the fan, and that's what stood out in my mind.  There was an airplane tire also there and then these bodies and luggage from the thing because there were shoes everywhere also.

3.2.2                     Account of  Gaby Thomas  - File No: 9110140      

…and when I came out of the building, that was my first thing was to look for the command center, I remember that, and basically, when I saw where I thought the command center was outside, where the command board was, there was an airplane tire.  My immediate thing was that another plane had hit.  So that's what I said.

3.2.3                     Account of  Steve Grabher - File No: 9110241     

We came right down West Street, down here. We couldn't get too close, because by the time we got near 2 World Trade Center people were jumping off the roof like crazy.  Landing near the hotel and the street was littered with body parts.  I don't know if it was from the plane or what.  But there was just body parts all over the place.  Chunks of meat.  I saw an airplane tire.  I walked past an airplane tire.  What looked like an airplane tire.  Again we were looking up the whole time.

3.2.4                     Account of Mery Merced - File No: 9110144

I look up at the north tower, and I see colors all the way up there.  I'm thinking to myself, geez, I said, is that clothes?  I thought since the airplane crashed there, I'm thinking about maybe it's the clothes from the luggage or something.

3.2.5                     Account of Todd Heaney - File No: 9110255

Saw some luggage.  From the plane, I imagine.  A lot of debris from the upper floors, papers and things of that nature.

3.2.6                     Account of John Moribito - File No: 9110354

Note: How did the airplane tickets survive the fireball?

I noticed in the courtyard that there were valises, suitcases, strewn about the courtyard.  There were wallets everywhere, broken glass, and then I noticed that there were airplane tickets.

3.2.7                     Account of Timothy Burke - File No:  9110488

We spent a few minutes in the tunnel.  Seemed like a lot of traffic in the tunnel. It was rumored that they were blowing up the tunnel then.  We got through, we drove over what felt like gravel, because there was so much glass and debris around.  I saw a plane tire in an alley, body parts and people all over the place.

3.3                          Accounts Mentioning “Landing Gear”

There were over 10 different reports of Landing Gear being found. Some of these put the Landing Gear on Vesey Street, West Street, in a Parking Lot (which may be on West or Vesey Street), in a Jacuzzi, on top of a woman or in Rector Street

3.3.1                     Account of Dean Coutsouros - File No:  9110049               

…we got in front of 90 West Street, we held up there for a few minutes underneath the scaffolding to reassess the situation, how we were going to get into the building.  There was all kinds of human debris.  The landing gear of the aircraft was in that parking lot there.  It was right near us.  There was all kind of stuff all over the floor. 

3.3.2                     Account of Louis Cook - File No:  9110103

We walked up West Street northbound to get to the command post, and there I remember looking to my right and seeing an aircraft landing gear tire.

3.3.3                     Account of Orlando Martinez - File No:  9110183

So I jumped out of the back, went to the drivers seat and put the vehicle in reverse and went forward down Vesey Street towards Beekman Hospital. We had a second degree burn patient with respiratory problems, so we needed to get him out of there.  For our safety and to just transport at least, the busload of patients.

Q.   At this time, both buildings were still standing?

A.   Oh, yes.  Once we started taking off, I guess 30 feet in front of us, there was a lady on the ground by the curb and she was just waving her arms.  That's all she could wave.  Her legs were crushed.  Apparently she got hit by part of the landing gear, one of the tires of the airplane.  There was a large tire next to her.

3.3.4                     Account of  John Breen - File No:  9110321

We did see part of -- I didn't  see it, but Jeff Johnson told me later on he did  see part of the landing gear actually fell right  through the roof and it was in one of the  Jacuzzis in another room.

3.3.5                     Account of Steve Piccerill - File No: 9110330

We were driving out of the tunnel up West Street, and we're seeing body parts in the street, torsos, chunks of flesh, parts of the airplane, landing gear, car fires everywhere.  It was like a war zone.

3.3.6                     Account of Benjamin Badillo - File No: 9110495

Walking around, we came out to Rector Street.  We saw one of the landing gears from the airplane.  I was trying to look for my vehicle, because by this time it had cleared up a lot, so you could see a lot.

3.4                          Accounts Mentioning FBI Agents and the Possible “3rd Plane”

It seems like there were a good number of FBI agents on the scene – at least one of them seemed to be promulgating reports of a 3rd plane being en route to NYC. How were they so sure, considering the confusion in the “fog of war”?

3.4.1                     Account of Chris Kagenaar - File No: 9110014

What happened was then the second plane hit the tower, and it was a loud noise, I mean, it hit, and at first I was like this can't be happening. It's like lightning doesn't strike twice….

As I'm dropping off the patient, the FBI agent comes up to me and he says, oh, man, I just heard there's a third plane coming in.

3.4.2                     Account of Felton Jarjean - File No: 9110041

I would say right around that time while we were right under here, under the Westside Highway and pedestrian bridge, I seen a second plane coming. I'm thinking isn't that plane too low? I'm like.. .then I noticed, I seen it turn. It turned and went right in the building. But we're behind, like this is the building, it went in, and you see the explosion in the front... ... Everybody talking about -around that time- there's another plane coming. I mean, we didn't know because we didn't have a TV and we didn't have a radio. We was just going our way. We heard it from the FBI agents or agents down there.

3.4.3                     Account of Michael Wernick - File No: 9110080

We were there resting five, ten minutes. We heard reports that possibly more planes were coming in our direction and that was from the FBI.

3.4.4                     Account of Sidney Parris – File No: 9110347

After that, FBI agent came down the block. He identified some landing gear that was in front of our rig, asked me to make sure no pedestrians came down the block to interfere with any type of metals and debris that were there, because they were trying to identify to put the pieces back together for the plane.

3.4.5                     Account of James Curran - File No: 9110412

No, we were on the 16 floor when it was confirmed that another plane hit tower two. At that point, someone that was supposedly Secret Service, which disappeared, we never knew where he went, he said there was a third incoming flight.

3.4.6                     Account of Warren Smith - File No: 9110223

I also received reports while I was walking up from an FBI agent that there were more planes up in the air unaccounted for. So I passed this on to my guys that were near me.

3.4.7                     Account of Bertram Springstead - File No: 9110225

We just happened to be on the staircase with an FBI guy. He had an FBI jacket on. He turns around to me and goes, "We've got to get out of here." I said, "What are you talking about? We're getting out. Let's go. Everybody's walking out." He said, "No, you don't understand. There's more planes coming." I said, "What the hell are you talking about, more planes?" He said, "There's two more planes on the way for these buildings." "What do you mean, two more planes?" I didn't even know there was more than one plane at this point. We didn't know there was a second plane.

3.4.8                     Account of Terence Rivera - File No: 9110343     

This account is especially peculiar…

There was a -- he wasn't a regular security guard.  He had a weapon on him.  I don't know if he was FBI or Secret Service and he was trying to put the pants out on one individual that was conscious.  His pants were still smoldering.  I took the can, fire extinguisher off the truck and then sprayed down the pants on the person that was still conscious. At that time, I had asked him where did this individual [had] come from.  He told me when the plane had hit, a fire ball had shot down the elevator shaft and had blown people out of the lobby

Sometime while we were doing that, that same individual that was -- when we first got there, that was trying to put the pants out, he came over and he is saying to us that it's a terrorist attack.  You guys are too close.  It's a terrorist attack.

Then I went -- that same individual, the security or -- he told me to go over to the command post and let them know it's a terrorist attack.  There are more planes in the air.

3.5                          Accounts Mentioning Hearing the F-15’s

Several people reported hearing the F-15/F-16 jets and initially thought there was another attack. Are these planes very much louder than a high-speed 757 jet?

3.5.1                     Account of Tracey Mulqueen - File No: 9110010 

We were standing at Bellevue.  All of a sudden we hear this rumble of like a plane really low, and I started to freak out.  Jimmy Murphy said, It's okay.  It's an F-15."  I've never heard an F-15 before.  I don't go to air shows or anything."

3.5.2                     Account of Robert Larocco - File No: 9110081

At that point we hear a plane -- it  turned out to be two planes, and they were  closing in on us and the motors were getting  louder and louder. All eyes went up to the sky and were  looking.  I kind of thought to myself as I looked  at guys running for their lives and for cover  that now we're going to get kamikazed.  The  rescue workers, they are trying to take us out. I stood there and looked at the sky all  around in all directions and couldn't really tell  where the sound was coming from.  It was getting  louder and louder.  Then I spotted them, they  were coming out of the west, like out of Jersey  City, that way.  They were two F15 fighters.

3.5.3                     Account of Michael Ober - File No: 9110093

I'm looking at the Empire State Building, and I'm like, it's gone.  All I heard was the rumbling of an airplane, and I'm like, they're taking out the Empire State Building too. It was some kind of F-15 or something came like, screaming over our heads. That was the greatest thing I saw all day long.  I'm like, they're not hitting us with anymore planes.

3.5.4                     Account of Mark Mazur - File No: 9110118

Then about five minutes later what  really scared the hell out of us, we heard a jet  coming down.  It was an F-16 that came roaring up  the Hudson River.  It's like where the hell did  he come from?  Then it sunk in, they weren't  kidding, because I thought they were kidding us.

3.5.5                     Account of John Felidi - File No: 9110201

What scared the shit out of me was we were down there and all we heard was another aircraft coming, but it turned out to be, I don't know, an F-15. Let me tell you something you never seen anybody stand still, because you didn't know where to run, honestly.  We evacuated that area and went down to Chelsea Piers.

3.5.6                     Account of Frank Puma - File No: 9110273

This witness seems to have the sequence of events mixed up?

I remember the F-16s and the F-18s  flying overhead before the first tower collapsed that we all jumped on the floor because we didn't  know what it was.  We looked up and saw it was  our guys, and we were like, okay, we can stand up  now and take control of this.

3.5.7                     Account of Jason Katz- File No: 9110367

Then we heard two planes coming overhead.  We weren't sure, you know, if they were friendly or just loud jet engines, so we started making a little run to the west side.  We noticed it was a F-16.

3.5.8                     Account of Karen Lamanna - File No: 9110484

While we were doing that I remember hearing a plane flying overhead.  I'm thinking, oh, my God, not again, not again.  I looked up, we all looked up, and there were F-16s.  I was like, oh, my God.  We were in trouble then. Okay, that's a first, F-16s flying over New York.

3.6                          Accounts Containing Redacted Portions

As well as the redacted portions of Patricia Ondrovic’s account, there were a number of other portions discovered in this research, and there are almost certainly others.

Table 3‑1 Accounts With Redacted Portions

File

Name

Page No(s)

9110075

Rene Davila

Portions of pages 14-15, 17, 25-26, 31, 32, 34, 38-39, 40-50

9110144

Mery Merced

Portions of pages 5,6,8,9,19,20,21,22 (Tape ended abruptly)

9110150

Alexander Loutsky

Portions of pages 2,3,8,13,16,17,20

9110395

Ronald Coyne

11-15

9110457

Joseph Conzo

Blacked out name on p. 5.

Having used the file searching software, it would suggest there are redactions in 42 other accounts: 9110025, 9110056, 9110062, 9110064, 9110078, 9110084, 9110086, 9110095, 9110120, 9110123, 9110137, 9110143, 9110146, 9110151, 9110173, 9110189, 9110208, 9110214, 9110222, 9110255, 9110285, 9110291, 9110312, 9110327, 9110330, 9110344, 9110359, 9110360, 9110361, 9110379, 9110386, 9110392, 9110412, 9110418, 9110425, 9110431, 9110441, 9110442, 9110455, 9110459, 9110470, 9110495.

3.7                          Accounts Mentioning Car Fires After WTC Destruction

One of the curious features of the destruction of the WTC were the resulting car fires. Even if we accept the jet fuel story, the jet fuel would likely all have burned, and we saw no obvious bursts of flame during the descent of the towers, photographs of the aftermath, such as those shown in Ref (4)

3.7.1                     Account of Paramedic Robert Ruiz “Toasting Car” - File No. (9110333)

On page 13 of his account:

“Like things weren't bad enough already, the car that's parked right on that corner catches on fire. I don't mean a little fire, the entire thing. Don't ask me how. The entire car caught on fire. You would think maybe just a motor part or just the engine part. But this entire car just goes up in fire.”

3.7.2                     Account of Paul Curran, Fire Patrolmen - File No 9110369

At that time I went back to the north tower again, and they were stretching a line. A lot of car fires erupted. All of a sudden cars were blowing up everywhere. … it was bad from the beginning, and it went totally haywire when the other tower collapsed. It was just nothing but carnage and debris. It was just bodies, body parts everywhere, a shoe with a leg in it. It was just horrible, you know.

Curiously, the interviewer asked further about Curran’s remarks and seemed happy with Curran’s response, and the interview ended somewhat abruptly.

Q. Everybody tells me all these vehicles were on fire. What do you attribute all these vehicles being on fire to?

A. I believe it must have been from the debris falling and the heat just started hitting the cars and starting cars on fire. There were an awful lot of cars burning, an awful lot. It had to be radiated heat or just stuff falling on cars and setting them on fire. There were numerous cars burning, numerous.

Q. Good. That's real good.

A. I hope –

CHIEF MALKIN: I omitted to say that sitting in on this interview was Sergeant Canham from Fire Patrol 3. At the conclusion of this interview, which is now 1601 hours, I thank Paul Curran for his interview, and this is the end of the interview.

3.7.3                     Account of John Colon - File No: 9110252

Colon saw and heard no planes, arrived as the “first building came falling down”. He also reported many car fires.

We got in there. The whole building came running down, came falling down. We waited a few minutes. We regrouped, we went back to, I presume it was the second tower, the building that came down, that we were looking at. There was numerous fires all over the place. The officer, Glen Rohan, told Jerry Suden to put out car fires. There were car fires. The rigs were on fire. Jerry got a hose line, started putting the fires out.

3.8                          Account Mentioning Building 7 Was Expected to Collapse

In his account (File no: 9110179), Frank Cruthers, Fire Chief stated:

As I was getting changed, I got a phone call telling me that - the same thing and I said that I knew and then was informed that the call was regarding the second plane. So I was still in my house when the second plane hit. I then get in my car and I drove myself directly to the scene. As I was running down the street, the cloud kind of overtook us, then the air seemed to be filled with a lot of very light material. Most of it appeared to be paper. At that point, I dove on the ground on the south side of a car that was parked on the north side of Albany Street and there was some other firefighters there. Q. Chief, that was between West and South End Street?

 A. Yes. I told them to stay there. Some more debris came down, a little heavier but it didn't seem to me at that particular point there was any really heavy stuff. Couple of people - after the cloud cleared, which took some minutes, there were a couple of people who were injured. I re-established contact with Chief Ganci after the first collapse.

Early on, there was concern that 7 World Trade Center might have been both impacted by the collapsing tower and had several fires in it and there was a concern that it might collapse. So we instructed that a collapse area –

Q. A collapse zone?

A. Yeah -- be set up and maintained so that when the expected collapse of 7 happened, we wouldn't have people working in it. There was considerable discussion with Con Ed regarding the substation in that building and the feeders and the oil coolants and so on. And their concern was of the type of fire we might have when it collapsed. They shut down the power, and when it did collapse, the things that they were concerned with would have been. That's about it.

3.9                          Accounts Mentioning Descriptions of Debris

3.9.1                     Account of Paul Curran, Fire Patrolmen - File No 9110369

In this account, the witness considers the debris from the destruction of the towers and noticed certain oddities.

I parked the rig on Church right at Fulton, directly in front of the World Trade north plaza. We then suited up, masks, tools. My officer told us we're going to go into the north tower lobby. We proceeded down to Vesey. Walking down Vesey, we noticed large pieces of what looked like possibly the fuselage from the plane. There was a caravan of motorcycle police coming up. We stopped them and we cleared the path of big O rings and pieces of fuselage of the plane. We threw it to the side, and we told the guys to go on. They went up towards Church. … I went to the back, and the whole back part of the tower, the concourse level, was gone. I guess when the south tower came down, it must have ripped it all down. It probably is only like one story there, I believe.

Here, the witness seems to be saying all the debris ended up in one place. Perhaps he realised that for a huge building, there wasn’t much left when it reached the ground.

… Fortunate for us, the guys who went north on West Street -- the customs house took the big brunt of all that debris. Everything poured into it.

3.9.2                     Account of Anthony DeMaio - File No: 9110507

At that point when we got out of the car, we realized that the first tower went down. There was no tower there. We already realized that something happened. … Basically what we normally do at any operation, normal operation, is make sure that the apparatus is fueled, make sure that everything is running, there was no problems mechanically on it, whether it's apparatus or ambulances or whatever it is. But in this case we had apparatus that was totally destroyed, partially destroyed, abandoned. We spent the next week basically trying to salvage anything that we thought was salvageable that we could kickback into service. Our concern was that we lost so many pieces that if there's anything here that we canget back into service, you know, get it back to the shop, get it cleaned up, get it working, and get it back to the house, at least they'll have something, because there was a lot of pieces gone. That's what we spent the next week doing, basically, is finding apparatus that was abandoned, getting them to run. Most of them had all the glass blown out of them, full of soot, dust and debris. Getting it back to the shop. Same thing with ambulances. Then we tried to make -- we kept a running log of what we found along the way that was beyond repair. We were pulling them into the shop whatever possible so we could keep track of at least what we had. Basically that's what we did.

 Q. Is there anything else you think is important?

A. That's it.

Q. On behalf of the department, I want to thank you. MR. FEILER: We'll conclude the interview at 953 hours.

There was a rapid end to this interview.

3.10                 Accounts Not Mentioning Loud Explosions as Towers Were Coming Down

Some witnesses thought the sound of the collapse was another plane coming in, or even a rocket or missile – many expressed great surprise it was a tower “collapsing”.

3.10.1              Account of Kevin Murray - File No: 9110020

That's just about the same time that the second plane had hit, because we still saw kind of the explosion when we got onto the FDR, because they're pretty close.

There was a report that a third plane had hit the building and then we got another report that the 65 floor in the north tower had collapsed. That's what the rumbling was. We had no idea that the south tower had gone.

3.10.2              Account of Faisel Abed - File No: 9110071

The sound of towers coming down was likened to another plane attacking, rather than lots of explosions going off. I.e. there were explosions in the towers before they came down, but not as they were coming down.

You just heard this thrushing, thrushing noise like a rocket. I thought the building was under attack again. You just start seeing this smoke coming down. We just took off. We went north. We actually -- sorry, we went west. We went towards the river. All right. Then we just went towards the river and went up north a little bit behind the building. That was after the first one went down.

3.10.3              Account of Robert Larocco - File No: 9110081

This witness does not describe explosions as the tower is coming down near him.

Anyway, just to describe to you the collapse of the south tower coming down, I really wasn't aware there was a full collapse. I thought it might have been just a localized collapse. It was the loudest noise I've ever heard in my life. It was in both ears. Kind of like those rockets that they launch the space shuttles with, it was like I had one going off in each ear. When I thought it was the loudest noise I ever heard, every second it was just increasing getting louder and louder and louder. I was running as fast as I could. With this noise getting louder and louder, also what's happening simultaneously was light -- whatever light we had was becoming darkness, like obscuring and getting dark fast, like someone pulling down the shades real fast. Anyway, it kind of sounded to me as if the collapse was aimed right at me, right at my back. I was running as fast as I could, and when I felt that I was getting overtaken by the collapse, where there was no hope, I threw myself on my knees at the next concrete column that I came up against I kept that on my right side.

3.10.4              Account of John Rothmund - File No: 9110112

At that time we were looking at the top of the towers and all the rubble and people coming off, and all of a sudden you heard -- it sounded like another airplane, or a missile. It was like a slow shake. The whole ground just vibrated and shook. We just told everybody to run, run into a building, let's go, run, run, run. We ran off of Liberty. We couldn't get very far. We got into a superette. We threw as many people as were coming into this superette, me and my partner. We never left each other's side the whole entire time. We were like Velcro. We got everybody into the deli superette. I don't know what the hell it was. It was big. It was good size. After that the debris was just coming down and coming down. Nobody could really stand there anymore.

3.10.5              Account of George Kozlowski – File No: 9110308

As we were walking, we heard -- we thought it was another plane coming. It was like a big shhhhh. A thousand times louder than that. It sounded like a missile coming and we just started booking. We took off like bats out of hell. We made it around the corner and that's when the shit hit the fan right then and there. We heard that loud and then ba boom. I just -- it was like an earthquake or whatever. A giant, giant explosion. Kenny made it and those other guys made it around this bend here. I was like the last guy and I just turned around and I just sort of ????, I just did a fetal position. I crawled down and held -- thank god -- that helmet saved my life: I just held onto it and the impact, I closed my eyes -- just the impact, I could just feel shit hitting me, flying. I think something fell on my back that protected me from some of the other stuff that fell. Luckily a couple of things hit my helmet. Then it was just that impact and I was in a fetal position, just holding my helmet, shaking. Then this big gust came and I just went flying, maybe 30, 40 feet. Tumbling. I got up, got on my hands and knees because all of the white shit was all over me. I just kept crawling. My ears were like deaf, you know, when you hear a giant firecracker or something.

3.10.6              Account of Gerard Gorman – File No: 9110420

Q. Approximately what time do you think this is?

A. This is ten minutes before the collapse. And nobody, you know, like nobody -- at that point I did not know the first building collapsed still. Didn't know. We thought it was a missile attack or something like that. We thought we were under attack. They didn't have any idea that this building could collapse.

4.                                  Conclusions

4.1                          Plane Accounts

4.1.1                     Impacts

On studying the accounts of the plane impacts, a confused picture appears. For the first plane, only one witness - William Walsh (File no: 9110442) specifically describes an American Airlines Plane. Other witnesses describe a whole variety of planes – some seen “out of the corner of their eye”. Some describe a military plane, some initially thought  it was a small Cessna type plane.

Additionally, the sound of the planes is described with only a little more consistency. Only 8% of witnesses said they actually saw and heard plane 2 and this is a very low percentage.

Among the small number of witnesses who specifically describe hearing the F-15’s or F-16’s, there seems to be a greater consistency in their descriptions of the sound.

Of those witnesses who describe specifically seeing or hearing the planes, there are a number of instances where a curious turn of phrase is used at one or more points in the account. For example, the account of Thomas Fitzpatrick (File No: 9110001).

The noise from the plane was enough to make you not want to look up. I thought the plane was actually going to land in the street to be honest with you. The noise was outrageous. When it hit the building it was even worse.

4.1.2                     Accounts of Plane Parts, Landing Gear, Tires and Luggage

With 4 apparently separate reports of aircraft landing gear or tires being found in different locations (Sections 3.2 and 3.3), it is difficult to believe that these items genuinely could have survived the crash. One is immediately reminded of the story of the survival of Mohammad Atta’s passport.

Similarly, the sightings of luggage and suitcases do not seem to be explainable other than by the idea that this evidence was planted – how could such items survive the enormous impact and fireball, which is said to have been sufficient to destroy the WTC’s structural integrity?

4.1.3                     FBI Spreading False Information?

With repeated accounts of the FBI agents mentioning a 3rd plane attack was imminent, one is given the impression that they were deliberately or unwittingly promoting the plane stories at a time when the picture of what was happening was very likely not at all clear. It seems like there were people at work early on to cement the plane stories, with the help of the mainstream media.

4.2                          Accounts with Redacted Portions

One can understand why certain parts of certain accounts may be obscured – perhaps so as not to cause upset to relatives of victims or where they might reveal certain small points of sensitive information. However, suspicions should be raised in the cases where significant portions of accounts were redacted, such as those of Rene Davila (File No: 9110075) and Ronald Coyne (File No: 9110395).

4.3                          Accounts Mentioning Collapse of Towers

One of the prevailing theories has been that the WTC towers underwent some kind of controlled demolition, using explosives. Whilst a number of witnesses do report explosions around the time of the tower collapses, none of them mentioned a continuous “sequence of bangs” as one hears with traditional controlled demolitions, a second or so before the building’s core structure is destroyed and falls to the ground. This, again, supports the data that something other than a rapid sequence of explosions destroyed the towers.

4.4                          Other Accounts Raising Suspicion or Concern

Further study of the accounts would probably yield more complete and useful information regarding things like the sudden car fires near the time of the towers coming down. The accounts included in this study certainly show indications that unusual things occurred near 1 or 2 witnesses.

The account that someone knew WTC 7 was going to “come down” is also very suspicious and, who knows, may be linked to the premature reporting by the BBC of the building’s demise.

4.5                          Overall Conclusion

Overall, I conclude the descriptions of planes given by the witnesses do not give one any more confidence than the video material that large planes hit the towers. With something as unique as 9/11, it was easy to “sell” people the plane stories in the midst of such a terrible tragedy.

There is a need for some witnesses to be questioned again about their experiences to determine the true nature of other anomalous events at the time of the WTC towers’ destruction. I hope that someday this becomes possible and that the true 9/11 perpetrators are brought to account for their heinous actions.

 

5.                                  Appendix A - Further Technical Details of Data Analysis

5.1                          Initial PDF Text Searching

In an initial study, Adobe Acrobat Reader (PC version, 6.x) was used to find keywords. However, it was soon discovered that the reader would only search up to 100 separate files in a given folder, so this was not enough to search the entirety of the accounts. The PDF’s then had to be converted to text.

5.2                          PDF Conversion Software – Converting to Raw Text Format

There were some problems in copying and pasting PDF files into text or Microsoft Word documents – sometimes the text was garbled or came out all in capitals. These problems were tackled by using Solid Documents PDF Converter plug-in for Microsoft Word and also the PDF scanner/converter in TextHelp Read & Write to convert PDF files into RTF format. MS-Word VBA Macros were then used to convert the RTF files to text, for string searching.

5.3                          Text Layout Processing

Once the files had been converted to raw text, there was still the problem of layout – with an unacceptably wide margin and also the text was double-spaced. MS-Word VBA Macros were then used to tidy up the text into a more compact format, for copying into the MS Access database and this document (this was mainly a process of iterated “search and replace”).

5.4                          Text Searching

Some freeware called “PRGREP” (http://patrick.renaud.free.fr/tools/prgrep/prgrep_en.php) was used to search for keywords and phrases in the 504 text files. This also had a useful feature in that search results could be exported in CSV (Comma-Separated Values) format.

Figure 5‑1 PRGrep Text File Searcher

5.5                          Collation of Data in Microsoft Excel

The search results from PRGREP were collated and a sheet was made up based on the NY Times webpage, which allowed reference to both the file number and witness name. Account portions were initially then extracted from the text files and pasted into Excel, noting whether they saw or heard the “crashes”.

Other PRGREP search results were copied onto separate sheets and all collated into one Excel Spreadsheet File.

Figure 5‑2 Microsoft Excel Data Collation

5.6                          Use of Microsoft Access Database

5.6.1                     Data Capture and Form Design

Part way through the process of analysing the plane crash accounts, it was decided the process of working out combinations of where witnesses saw and heard crashes were easier to determine using Microsoft Access queries, so the data was imported into Access and forms designed to allow collation of the account data and specification of what the witness saw or heard in terms of the plane crashes. An screenshot of the form is shown below:

Figure 5‑3 Access Database Witness Data Capture Form

Once the witness’s location was determined, it was noted as either “driving towards WTC”, “near WTC”, “Inside WTC”. If they heard the planes, the sound heard was also entered on the form above.

5.6.2                     Data Checking

Once all the data had been entered, it was checked using queries which, for example, checked whether the “sound heard” fields had been used without the “heard plane” being checked. Other checks like this were also carried out.

5.6.3                     Access Queries

Queries were designed to then select all those witnesses who were “Near the WTC” and then all of those witnesses who heard or saw the 2nd plane impact. The count of records returned was then noted and a percentage of the total number of witnesses near the WTC was then determined. An example from the Access Query Designer is shown below, along with the corresponding SQL generated.

Figure 5‑4 Access Database Query Design

 

Figure 5‑5 Access Database Query SQL

6.                                  Appendix B - Witness Account Details

6.1                          Witnesses to Plane 1

6.1.1                     Witnesses who Saw Plane 1

File No

Witness Name

Location of Witness when talking of Plane 1 (if known)

Account Extract

9110058

Cohen, Marc

59th Street bridge

We were on the 59th Street bridge when out of the corner of our eye we saw the first plane hit the World Trade Center. Looking south from the 59th Street bridge, we noticed the smoke.

9110081

Larocco, Robert

Stuyvesant Street Near Church

Now we all heard a plane that sounded like it was in trouble. So everyone stopped what they were doing. It was obvious there was something wrong with the motors. They were like straining, and they were louder than normal. Normally over Manhattan a plane flies very high. We all looked in the sky and didn't see anything, but then for six or seven seconds flying out of the northeast, headed southwest, was this jetliner, like the kind of thing you would go on to go to Miami Beach or Vegas or something like that. It was flying very low, probably about 350 feet. As it passed over us, it wobbled, just a little bit. Then after six or seven seconds of seeing it -- we lost sight of it, because there were six-story tenements around us so that patch of sky that we saw it for just lasted that small amount of time....

I wasn't aware the second plane had hit. I thought it was all from one plane. I didn't know.

9110135

Pastor, Frank

Red Hook

All of is sudden my partner says to me, "Frankie, that plane seems to be low." Q. What unit were you working that day? A. We were working 32 boy in Red Hook. We had the view of the city, and she yells out, "Frank, that plane just hit the building." ... Mala, saying again to me, "That other plane is low." I don't know how much time, 10, 15 minutes, and we seen the other plane hit.

9110138

Pfeifer, Joseph

Lispenard St

sometime about 8:15 or so in the morning we got a call to Lispenard and Church for a gas leak in the street. We were there for a while checking on the gas leak, and then we heard the loud roar of the plane come over, and we turned around and we looked and we saw the plane coming down, heading south towards the Trade Center, and made a direct hit on the Trade Center.

9110139

Hayden, Peter

Firehouse

At this point in the event, I heard a plane passing overhead extremely low [When at WTC] I really could not see any indication at that time that a plane had hit it, but certainly it appeared some catastrophic event had occurred.

9110151

Loutsky, Alexander

Pearl Street

Plane 1: I would say around Pearl Street, we had a view of the World Trade Center, which was only a few blocks away and I stopped him and I said to look at that plane, that it was flying extremely low and that it looked like it was about to hit. A few seconds later it did hit.

Plane 2: Around that time, I didn't at the time realize it, but from where we were at, which was right in front of the World Trade Center on the West Side Highway area, there was an explosion and a lot of debris started coming down. Apparently that was the second plane that hit.

9110273

Puma, Frank

Barclay between Church and Broadway

So we were about a block away, two blocks away on Barclay between Church and Broadway getting breakfast when we heard the first plane hit. After we heard the first plane hit and felt the ground shake, I ran down to the corner of Church and Park Place, looked up and I saw the plane shooting out of the top of the towers. That's when I grabbed for my radio and yelled over the air, "1 Adam. A bomb just went off in the Trade Center."

When the second plane hit, me and my partner were in the back of our ambulance. We felt all the debris come down, bouncing off of me, myself, my partner, shooting inside the back of our ambulance and rocking our ambulance back and forth. We shut the doors, jumped on top of all of our patients.

9110303

Ramos, Ralph

Pearl St

Plane 1: We were returning back there from Battalion 4 and we were going up, I believe it's Pearl Street, and my partner Alex Loutsky and I, we witnessed the first plane hit the first tower. Saw it flying low and we thought, that plane's flying kind of low, and then it hit the building and we went over the radio and we told central that we had witnessed a plane hitting the building, and at first she didn't believe us, but then other units started saying they saw the same thing and then we proceeded straight over to the Trade Center.

We went down West Street and parked at West and Liberty. There was -- Lieutenant D'Avila was there. There were several other units already on the scene and there was a wave of people running out of the building, running towards us. Stopped like about maybe 4 people, put them into our vehicle and I was treating them and in the process of doing that, the second plane hit right over top of us and all the debris started falling down on top of us.

9110307

Weldon, Richard

Long Island Expressway

 

9110412

Curran, James

Church Street

Plane 1: We had found out what grate the leak was coming from and our Chief Pfiefer was bent over with the gas meter. We heard the plane, we looked up was low enough that it rattled the buildings we were standing at. We saw it come out from behind the buildings and hit tower one and like I said, a fireball, looked like 10 or 20 stories big, shot out the south side of the tower and then out the hole that the plane made going in.

9110419

Carletti, Richard

Crossing Delancey Street

Well, here's how my morning starts. I usually come in around 8:00 like everyone does, but I went to vote, so I was late. I was coming up Allen, which turns into First. When I was crossing Delancey Street, I saw a jet in front of me, which was the first jet. He was pretty low. He was probably about 30 stories. Now I'm heading north and crossing Delancey Street on Allen and I see the jet make a move toward the Trade Center. It made a south-westerly turn from that point.

I proceeded up First Avenue, left on 14th, parked in front of the firehouse. Fireman Lynn was there. He said they were out on a box, they wouldn't let him on because they thought they had a good job, and right then he told me a plane just crashed into the Trade Center. It was the same exact plane I just saw.

We were on the east side of the street. We went to make a right on Houston, and right when we were making the right on Houston, we saw a fireball in the sky, which at this point was the second impact, so that puts it 9:06, turning right onto Houston..

9110426

Borrillo, Nicholas

Church and Lispenard St

Plane 1: We were at a box for odor of gas in the street on Church and Lispenard. We were investigating that. We were just about ready to take up from that box and come back when we heard the roar of the engines of the plane. Before we knew it, it was overhead. Within two seconds it hit the north tower.

9110430

Casaliggi, Joseph

Church Street Near Canal

Plane 1: On the morning of September 11th we were operating a box up on Church Street Near Canal. There was an odor of gas in the area. While we were out operating, we heard the first plane coming in. I turned around and I watched the plane crash into the north tower.

Plane 2: I went outside to the rig, changed the cylinder. While I was changing the cylinder, I was keeping an eye because the chauffeur was hooking up to the standpipe. I was keeping an eye, making sure he didn't get hit with anything. It was at that time when I saw the second plane hit the building. I called a mayday. I told them the second plane hit the south tower of the building.

9110442

Walsh, William

Lispenard Street and Church.

Plane 1: We received a run about 8:30 in the morning for a gas leak up at Lispenard Street and Church. We were operating at that box along with Engine 7, Battalion 1 and Ladder Company 8. I believe 55 Engine was there also, maybe Engine 24. I'm not [sure]. After about 15 minutes, we conclude our operations there. Lispenard is about one block south of Canal Street. I believe the chief gave the code for a gas leak, 10-40, code 1. All the units were about to go 10-8 when we heard this loud roar. Everybody thought -- or at least to me it sounded as though there was going to be a Con Edison steam explosion. This was about a quarter to 9, I'd say. So everybody looked up to where they thought they heard the sound coming from, and we saw an American Airlines plane. To me it looked as though it was going treetop level right down West Street. Then he appeared to rise a little bit. We were under the impression -- he looked like he was going down, but we didn't hear any mechanical difficulty. We couldn't figure out why an American Airlines plane would be so low in downtown Manhattan. We sort of expected him to veer off and go into the Hudson. But he just rose a little bit, his altitude, leveled off, and he was headed straight for the Trade Center. So just before he got to the Trade Center, it seemed as though he gained power. We were just watching this airplane on target for the World Trade Center. All of a sudden, boom, he disappears into the Trade Center. You hear this sickening noise as if two pieces of fiberglass had hit. You hear this loud explosion. He just disappeared into the Trade Center.

9110445

Spinard, Thomas

Church and Leonard

Plane 1: We got a box on Church and Leonard of an odor of gas. So Engine 7 and Ladder 1, Battalion 1, responds. It turned out to be a false alarm. As we were at the box, a plane passes us overhead real low. You could hear it; you could feel it. We turned around, and it just impacted the building, building one. With that, everybody got on the rig. We started driving.

Plane 2: While we were still in the middle of the street, another plane comes in, makes a big circle, comes around from like the Statue of Liberty direction, and hits two. We can't believe that another one is coming in. Joey got on the radio, "Another plane just hit the second tower."

9110460

Escoffery, Kenneth

Quarters of Ladder 20

Plane 1: I was relieved, and a few of us were standing in front of quarters when we noticed a plane came directly over the firehouse maybe around 8:45, somewhere around that time. One of the guys mentioned that the plane looked like it was really low. Before we could really think of what he said, the next thing we heard an explosion. We saw the smoke.

Plane 2: We went up to the mezzanine level, and in the corner, which was exposure 4, we noticed it looked like it was jet fuel that was just running down the side of the building. The fire wasn't spreading or anything. Within that 30-second time we were up there, an EMS worker asked us to come into the staircase to help him remove a person that collapsed in the staircase. After going into the staircase, within another minute or so, there was a loud explosion. I believe that's when the second plane hit.

6.1.2                     Witnesses who Heard Plane 1 Before impact

File No

Witness Name

Location of Witness when talking of Plane 1 (if known)

Comments

9110009

Murad, Murray

Firehouse

Plane 1: It was about 8:41 that we heard a plane hovering over the fire house. It sounded like the plane was right on top of us. At that time the captain was upstairs. He was taking a shower in the office and I was conducting the work with the firefighter. The captain came out and said: "What's going on? This is a no-fly zone. There should be no planes over here unless this is a military plane, a plane in trouble." Other than that, there was really no clue. .... Maybe about 10 to 12-minutes after that first plane, I heard another plane. Then I said to myself, we're being attacked. I ran downstairs. No sooner did I run downstairs and look up, that I saw the second plane strike the south tower. It was such a vicious hit and such a precision hit, it was unbelievable.

Q. Did you see or hear the second plane before it hit the World Trade Center?

A. I never actually saw the plane, but l heard it. You could hear it coming in and then we heard the explosion and you could hear the roar of the plane coming in. At first I didn't realize it was a plane. I thought it was like the roar of fire, like something had just incinerated, like a gas tank or an oil tank.

It sounded like a tremendous roar and then you heard boom and then there was a big fire, a lot of fire, a big fireball. I never actually saw a plane hit the building. I never saw that. I saw it on television, but I never saw it while I was standing there.

The building material was sort of gray and you could see it, you know, how it differed from the plane. I was listening to the tape this morning of the people calling up and they were describing the plane that hit the building. Actually, so many people saw it. They actually described the plane as it came in. They said it was a military-type plane and it was green and it was this. I mean, I never saw the color of the plane.

Q. Where were you when the second plane hit?

A. We were down at the command post between Liberty and Albany on the west side of West Street.

9110034

Zanat, John

Firehouse

I heard the plane first coming over the firehouse... Actually, I saw that on tape when the second plane hit. I seen it on tape here at the firehouse.

9110081

Larocco, Robert

Stuyvesant Street Near Church

Now we all heard a plane that sounded like it was in trouble. So everyone stopped what they were doing. It was obvious there was something wrong with the motors. They were like straining, and they were louder than normal. Normally over Manhattan a plane flies very high. We all looked in the sky and didn't see anything, but then for six or seven seconds flying out of the northeast, headed southwest, was this jetliner, like the kind of thing you would go on to go to Miami Beach or Vegas or something like that. It was flying very low, probably about 350 feet. As it passed over us, it wobbled, just a little bit. Then after six or seven seconds of seeing it -- we lost sight of it, because there were six-story tenements around us so that patch of sky that we saw it for just lasted that small amount of time....

I wasn't aware the second plane had hit. I thought it was all from one plane. I didn't know.

9110138

Pfeifer, Joseph

Lispenard St

sometime about 8:15 or so in the morning we got a call to Lispenard and Church for a gas leak in the street. We were there for a while checking on the gas leak, and then we heard the loud roar of the plane come over, and we turned around and we looked and we saw the plane coming down, heading south towards the Trade Center, and made a direct hit on the Trade Center.

9110139

Hayden, Peter

Firehouse

At this point in the event, I heard a plane passing overhead extremely low [When at WTC] I really could not see any indication at that time that a plane had hit it, but certainly it appeared some catastrophic event had occurred.

9110223

Smith, Warren

Firehouse

Plane 1: We heard it go over, of course, and then hit the building. One of the guys ran out. Guys were yelling what was that, a sonic boom? Guys went down to Lafayette. A couple of guys ran out.

Plane 2: While we were on our way down Broadway, just about near the World Trade Center, there were reports that the other building was hit while we were responding and conflicting reports.

9110273

Puma, Frank

Barclay between Church and Broadway

So we were about a block away, two blocks away on Barclay between Church and Broadway getting breakfast when we heard the first plane hit. After we heard the first plane hit and felt the ground shake, I ran down to the corner of Church and Park Place, looked up and I saw the plane shooting out of the top of the towers. That's when I grabbed for my radio and yelled over the air, "1 Adam. A bomb just went off in the Trade Center."

When the second plane hit, me and my partner were in the back of our ambulance. We felt all the debris come down, bouncing off of me, myself, my partner, shooting inside the back of our ambulance and rocking our ambulance back and forth. We shut the doors, jumped on top of all of our patients.

9110343

Rivera, Terence

Outside quarters

Plane 1: I was standing outside the quarters about to go home when the first plane hit. I heard a loud noise and then all of a sudden an explosion, looked up. I couldn't even tell really which tower was hit.

Plane 2: So I went across the street where they were starting to set up. I told them. They said we know. Just stage down by the Financial Center, that driveway down there, that's where everyone was staging. So I went to go back to go find 10 Engine chauffeur to tell him let's go down here. This is where they are staging, and he didn't want to leave the rig. He said, I got to stay by the rig. Just get me some water. So I got him some water and sometime when I was getting the -- put in the back or getting out, that's when the second plane hit. I went inside the rig to escape the debris falling down on us for a few moments.

9110388

Fallucca, Peter

Engine 16 quarters, Manhattan

Plane 1: I heard it come over on the scanner. I heard -- I was actually sitting in the house watch. I actually heard -- sounded like the plane flew over our quarters, and I said to myself, I said, that sounds low for Manhattan for a plane to be flying so low, and then two seconds later it came over on the scanner. I heard the guy say, "A plane just hit the World Trade tower”.

Plane 2: I think looking at the map, looked like we were on Church. We just were getting ready to pull up, getting ready to get out, and the second plane hit, and we started getting hit with debris on the top of the rig.

9110412

Curran, James

Church Street

Plane 1: We had found out what grate the leak was coming from and our Chief Pfiefer was bent over with the gas meter. We heard the plane, we looked up was low enough that it rattled the buildings we were standing at. We saw it come out from behind the buildings and hit tower one and like I said, a fireball, looked like 10 or 20 stories big, shot out the south side of the tower and then out the hole that the plane made going in.

9110414

Brogan, Derek

19th Street

Plane 1: As we were taken up from the box, we were backing out of 19th Street, and we heard a plane go over our heads. So me and the backup man, Jimmy Andruzzi, looked at each other. We realized it was low.

Plane 2: Just as everyone was starting to walk towards the center stair, which was the only stair we thought led up to the upper floors, we heard the next plane hit the other building. We looked out the windows at the reflection on the Financial Center and saw the fire plume coming down.

9110426

Borrillo, Nicholas

Church and Lispenard St

Plane 1: We were at a box for odor of gas in the street on Church and Lispenard. We were investigating that. We were just about ready to take up from that box and come back when we heard the roar of the engines of the plane. Before we knew it, it was overhead. Within two seconds it hit the north tower.

9110430

Casaliggi, Joseph

Church Street Near Canal

Plane 1: On the morning of September 11th we were operating a box up on Church Street Near Canal. There was an odor of gas in the area. While we were out operating, we heard the first plane coming in. I turned around and I watched the plane crash into the north tower.

Plane 2: I went outside to the rig, changed the cylinder. While I was changing the cylinder, I was keeping an eye because the chauffeur was hooking up to the standpipe. I was keeping an eye, making sure he didn't get hit with anything. It was at that time when I saw the second plane hit the building. I called a mayday. I told them the second plane hit the south tower of the building.

9110442

Walsh, William

Lispenard Street and Church

Plane 1: We received a run about 8:30 in the morning for a gas leak up at Lispenard Street and Church. We were operating at that box along with Engine 7, Battalion 1 and Ladder Company 8. I believe 55 Engine was there also, maybe Engine 24. I'm not [sure]. After about 15 minutes, we conclude our operations there. Lispenard is about one block south of Canal Street. I believe the chief gave the code for a gas leak, 10-40, code 1. All the units were about to go 10-8 when we heard this loud roar. Everybody thought -- or at least to me it sounded as though there was going to be a Con Edison steam explosion. This was about a quarter to 9, I'd say. So everybody looked up to where they thought they heard the sound coming from, and we saw an American Airlines plane. To me it looked as though it was going treetop level right down West Street. Then he appeared to rise a little bit. We were under the impression -- he looked like he was going down, but we didn't hear any mechanical difficulty. We couldn't figure out why an American Airlines plane would be so low in downtown Manhattan. We sort of expected him to veer off and go into the Hudson. But he just rose a little bit, his altitude, leveled off, and he was headed straight for the Trade Center. So just before he got to the Trade Center, it seemed as though he gained power. We were just watching this airplane on target for the World Trade Center. All of a sudden, boom, he disappears into the Trade Center. You hear this sickening noise as if two pieces of fiberglass had hit. You hear this loud explosion. He just disappeared into the Trade Center.

9110445

Spinard, Thomas

Church and Leonard St

Plane 1: We got a box on Church and Leonard of an odor of gas. So Engine 7 and Ladder 1, Battalion 1, responds. It turned out to be a false alarm. As we were at the box, a plane passes us overhead real low. You could hear it; you could feel it. We turned around, and it just impacted the building, building one. With that, everybody got on the rig. We started driving.

Plane 2: While we were still in the middle of the street, another plane comes in, makes a big circle, comes around from like the Statue of Liberty direction, and hits two. We can't believe that another one is coming in. Joey got on the radio, "Another plane just hit the second tower."

9110460

Escoffery, Kenneth

Quarters of Ladder 20

Plane 1: I was relieved, and a few of us were standing in front of quarters when we noticed a plane came directly over the firehouse maybe around 8:45, somewhere around that time. One of the guys mentioned that the plane looked like it was really low. Before we could really think of what he said, the next thing we heard an explosion. We saw the smoke.

Plane 2: We went up to the mezzanine level, and in the corner, which was exposure 4, we noticed it looked like it was jet fuel that was just running down the side of the building. The fire wasn't spreading or anything. Within that 30-second time we were up there, an EMS worker asked us to come into the staircase to help him remove a person that collapsed in the staircase. After going into the staircase, within another minute or so, there was a loud explosion. I believe that's when the second plane hit.

6.1.3                     Witnesses who Reported Seeing and Hearing Plane 1 Before Impact

File No

Witness Name

Location of Witness when talking of Plane 1 (if known)

Comments

9110445

Spinard, Thomas

Church and Leonard St

Plane 1: We got a box on Church and Leonard of an odor of gas. So Engine 7 and Ladder 1, Battalion 1, responds. It turned out to be a false alarm. As we were at the box, a plane passes us overhead real low. You could hear it; you could feel it. We turned around, and it just impacted the building, building one. With that, everybody got on the rig. We started driving.

Plane 2: While we were still in the middle of the street, another plane comes in, makes a big circle, comes around from like the Statue of Liberty direction, and hits two. We can't believe that another one is coming in. Joey got on the radio, "Another plane just hit the second tower."

 

6.1.4                     Witnesses who reported being near or inside WTC at the time of The 2nd Impact

Those near WTC (Query B1):

File No

Witness Name

Location of Witness when talking of Plane 2 (if known)

9110001

Fitzpatrick, Thomas

Dey Street Near WTC

9110004

Delgado, Manuel

Corner of West Broadway Near WTC

9110008

Gregory, Stephen

Vesey Street Near WTC

9110009

Murad, Murray

West Street/Liberty St Near WTC

9110011

Cassano, Salvatore

Near 7 World Trade near WTC

9110012

Torre, Felipe

Near WTC

9110013

Bartolomey, Anthony

corner of Vesey and Church Street near WTC

9110014

Kagenaar, Chris

Church Area near WTC

9110015

Harris, Russel

City Hall Near WTC

9110021

Long, Matthew

Near Murray Street near WTC

9110024

O'Donnel, Soraya

West Street Near WTC

9110026

Hansen, Eric

corner of Murray Street and North End near WTC

9110035

Rivera, Daniel

Near WTC - 1 yard away from the south tower building

9110036

Cherrington, Andre

Near WTC

9110037

Rios, Juan

Liberty St/West End of Washington near WTC

9110038

Whitman, Daniel

Near WTC (Just arrived)

9110039

Smiley, Gary

Coming across Church Street near WTC

9110041

Felton, Jarjean

Westside Highway - under pedestrian bridge near WTC

9110042

Pinkus, Jace

Vesey St near WTC

9110043

D'amato, Frank

corner of West and Vesey near WTC

9110044

Felitti, Pasquale

Near WTC

9110045

Melarango, William

Broadway and Fulton near WTC

9110047

Cruz, Allan

Corner of Fulton and Church near WTC

9110054

Wright, Decosta

West Side Highway near WTC

9110057

Harris, Mark

Tunnel near Liberty St near WTC

9110065

Gates, Gary

Heading towards West side of West Street (driving) near WTC

9110066

Traverso, John

Near WTC right by the Merrill Lynch building

9110072

McKinley, James

FDR Drive near WTC

9110075

Davila, Rene

Near WTC

9110084

Guidetti, Peter

Broadway near WTC

9110095

Kowalczyk, Walter

Liberty Street between West Street and North End near WTC

9110100

Gombo, Jerry

West Street near WTC

9110106

Nevins, John

in front of 7 World Trade near WTC

9110113

Sweeney, Frank

Near WTC

9110114

Holowach, Scott

Near WTC - Pedestrian Bridge,

9110131

Gonzalez, Arturo

West Street in near WTC 1

9110134

Blacksberg, David

Across the street near WTC 1

9110140

Gaby, Thomas

West Street Near WTC

9110141

Mosiello, Steven

Near WTC

9110142

Turi, Albert

Corner of Fulton and Church near WTC

9110147

McDonald, Thomas

Broadway near WTC

9110149

Mejias, Michael

World Financial Center near WTC

9110150

Goldbach, Ray

Broadway near WTC

9110151

Loutsky, Alexander

West Side Highway near WTC

9110154

Nigro, Daniel

West side of West Street Near WTC

9110156

Timothy, David

Between Fulton and Dey on Church St Near WTC

9110157

Broderick, Richard

West St and Vesey Street Near WTC

9110164

Cunniffe, Sean

Near WTC

9110166

Dixon, Brian

Liberty St Near WTC

9110168

Terranova, Rosario

Vesey St - near WTC

9110170

Jackson, Curtis

Near WTC

9110171

Gordon, Brian

Near WTC

9110177

Burgos, Freddy

West Street Near WTC

9110183

Martinez, Orlando

Near WTC

9110188

Siebuhr, Laura

Near WTC

9110195

Callan, Joseph

Near WTC

9110198

Sudnik, John

Vesey Street near WTC

9110200

Fortis, Joseph

Near WTC - Pedestrian Bridge

9110205

Donovan, Michael

Corner of Liberty and Church near WTC

9110215

Chiafari, Joseph

Near WTC

9110223

Smith, Warren

Broadway near WTC

9110244

Yakimovich, James

Church and Vesey St near WTC

9110260

Sterling, Daniel

Near WTC

9110268

Ingram, Robert

West side of West Street near WTC

9110273

Puma, Frank

Vesey and Church St near WTC

9110277

Riccio, Arthur

Church Street near WTC

9110288

Reynolds, William

Near WTC

9110291

Brodbeck, Michael

Near WTC

9110295

Fenyo, Christopher

West Side Highway (near WTC)

9110303

Ramos, Ralph

Near WTC - West and Liberty

9110305

Richiusa, Patrick

West Street Near WTC

9110325

Mera, Wayne

Near Church Street - Near WTC

9110327

Murray, ChristopherPatrick

Near Broadway and Liberty near WTC

9110334

McLeon, Kevin

Church St Near WTC in between Cortlandt and Dey approx

9110335

Bell, Jody

Corner of Vesey and West near WTC

9110337

Humphrey, Robert

Near WTC (7 World Trade Center/Vesey West Broadway)

9110343

Rivera, Terence

Near WTC - Financial Center

9110346

Brown, Sean

Liberty Street / Church St Near WTC

9110348

Chyriwski, Robert

West Street Near WTC (near marriot hotel)

9110350

Vega, Evelyn

Vesey and West Street facing south on the east side of the street on West Street near WTC

9110355

Ottrando, John

Near WTC

9110357

Beehler, Michael

Liberty between Broadway and Church St Near WTC

9110364

Vaskis, Frank

West Street between Carlisle and Albany Street near WTC

9110369

Curran, Paul

Near John St near WTC

9110374

Hyland, Paul

Chambers and Liberty near WTC

9110375

Sandvik, David

Near WTC 2

9110386

Julian, Timothy

In Firetruck on Broadway/Liberty near WTC.

9110388

Fallucca, Peter

Church St Near WTC (Pulling up)

9110415

Cifu, Ronald

Church Street near WTC

9110416

Marmion, Timothy

Near WTC - Vesey Street

9110430

Casaliggi, Joseph

Near WTC

9110432

Butler, John

Near WTC

9110445

Spinard, Thomas

Near WTC - West Street

9110459

Walsh, James

West Street near WTC

9110474

Salvador, Robert

Near WTC 7 - West St

9110484

Lamanna, Karen

Driving down FDR Drive near WTC

Those Inside WTC (Query B2):

File No

Witness Name

Location of Witness when talking of Plane 2 (if known)

9110017

Hansson, Gregg

35th floor Inside WTC 1

9110018

Claes, Marcel

35th floor Inside WTC 1

9110019

Becker, Brian

10th Floor Inside WTC 1

9110061

Nahmod, Abdo

Inside WTC 7 or near front

9110080

Wernick, Michael

Stairway Inside WTC 1

9110107

Culley, JohnKevin

Inside WTC - Lobby

9110138

Pfeifer, Joseph

Inside WTC1

9110139

Hayden, Peter

Inside WTC1

9110208

King, Stephen

Inside WTC 1

9110224

Campagna, Frank

Inside WTC1

9110354

Moribito, John

Inside WTC 2 (lobby?)

9110412

Curran, James

Inside WTC 1

9110414

Brogan, Derek

Inside WTC 1

9110420

Gorman, Gerard

Inside WTC 1 - Lobby

9110426

Borrillo, Nicholas

Inside WTC 1 (staircase)

9110427

Bohack, Robert

Inside WTC 1 Lobby

9110442

Walsh, William

Inside WTC 1

9110458

Brown, Timothy

Inside WTC 1 Lobby

9110460

Escoffery, Kenneth

Mezzanine Level Inside WTC1

9110490

Dunne, Craig

Inside WTC 1

9110503

Bessler, Paul

Inside WTC 1

 

6.1.5                     Witnesses near WTC Who Reported Seeing Plane 2 before impact (NOT on TV) - Query B3

File No

Witness Name

Location of Witness when talking of Plane 2 (if known)

Account Text

9110015

Harris, Russel

City Hall Near WTC

So as I'm sitting there talking to Claude trying to figure out where he was responding and what was going on, we happened to look back at the Trade and we saw the second plane hit, bam..

9110041

Felton, Jarjean

Westside Highway - under pedestrian bridge near WTC

I would say right around that time while we were right under here, under the Westside Highway and pedestrian bridge, I seen a second plane coming. I'm thinking isn't that plane too low? I'm like.. .then I noticed, I seen it turn. It turned and went right in the building. But we're behind, like this is the building, it went in, and you see the explosion in the front... ... Everybody talking about -around that time- there's another plane coming. I mean, we didn't know because we didn't have a TV and we didn't have a radio. We was just going our way. We heard it from the FBI agents or agents down there.

9110042

Pinkus, Jace

Vesey St near WTC

We attempted to get our stuff out of the vehicle, and as we looked up, we saw a plane hit the second building, and we noticed that there was a large ball of flame coming from the second building.

9110047

Cruz, Allan

Corner of Fulton and Church near WTC

As we were standing there, this one lady to my left grabbed me really really tight, my forearm, my left forearm, and we were both looking up at this fire. We both hear this rumble, and I felt a vibration, we looked slightly to the left, all of us, there's a whole bunch of us right next to my vehicle, and here comes this plane, a huge plane. The lady next to me says Oh my God, it's gonna hit the building. I didn't want to give her false information so I said Gee, I don't think so, well I hope not. I mean we're looking at it sort of in three dimensions, so I'm thinking it's gonna go behind the building. From where we're standing, it's gonna go right behind it, but it was too big and far too low. At that moment I said it's gonna hit, it's actually gonna hit. And it hit.

9110054

Wright, Decosta

West Side Highway near WTC

A few minutes later, we had seen the second plane just come in, go right through the second building. So we couldn't believe it, because we thought the first one was an accident.

9110075

Davila, Rene

Near WTC

Then as I'm communicating I catch from my peripheral vision on the right -- I didn't even think about it hitting the building. I'm just basically like what the hell is he doing there. Before I knew it, he disappeared behind the building, and bingo, there was an explosion.

9110100

Gombo, Jerry

West Street near WTC

At the corner of my eye, the second plane now comes into the building.

9110113

Sweeney, Frank

Near WTC

I said, "What are you talking about?" And the south tower blew up. Scott said, "That was a plane." I said, "Scott, it was not a plane. It was probably another bomb." He said, "No, I saw it. It was a plane." Then a chief came up to him and started yelling at Scott saying, "Are you sure you saw a plane?" He was like getting angry. He wanted to make sure that it was a plane that Scott saw. Scott said, "Yes, I saw it."

9110114

Holowach, Scott

Near WTC - Pedestrian Bridge,

Engine 3 drove south to the south pedestrian bridge to make a U turn to come back and as I'm walking towards the Engine to find out what Lieutenant Walsh wanted us to do, I heard the sound of a jet plane. I looked up and saw it pretty close and I was like holy shit. What's going on with the with the flight patterns. All of a sudden, the wings turned and it dove right into the building and it was screwed up. At that time Chief Ganci was behind me and he thought there was another explosion in the north tower and that's when I turned around and said Chief, listen, there is a second plane that hit the other tower. He was like no no no no, we have another explosion. I said no, Chief, I witnessed it. I watched the plane hit the other tower. He is like are you sure. I said Chief, I'm 100 hundred percent positive I watched the second plane hit the other tower.

9110134

Blacksberg, David

Across the street near WTC 1

We approached the building, and we heard some loud noise. We felt some rumbling, so we looked up, and there was another plane coming in. Went behind, I guess it banked around another building, so at that time we didn't really see it hit the building, but we heard it, and we felt it, and we saw it approaching. (Didn't report the plane actually impacting, however)

9110142

Turi, Albert

Corner of Fulton and Church near WTC

I was putting on my pants and boots when I heard something similar to the sound of a jet aircraft taking off, and when I looked up I saw the impact of the second plane hitting the south tower and immediately an enormous fireball erupted that actually masked the entire upper half of the building and part of the north tower. It was so enormous that even from that great distance I could feel the radiant heat on my face.

9110154

Nigro, Daniel

West side of West Street Near WTC

At some point after our arrival and after we had moved to the west side of West Street, I heard a loud roar of a jet, looked up and saw the second plane impact the south tower.

9110156

Timothy, David

Between Fulton and Dey on Church St Near WTC

The next thing I heard was a loud like an engine roar. I looked up, and the next thing I knew I just saw -- I don't know if it was the tail end of the plane or what, but I saw something. When I looked up, I heard "boom."

9110164

Cunniffe, Sean

Near WTC

The second plane came in. It was the biggest noise I ever heard in my life. Q. Did you see the plane? A. Yeah. We saw it, we heard it, we felt the heat from it, the debris.

9110177

Burgos, Freddy

West Street Near WTC

At the corner of my eye, the second plane now comes into the building.

9110195

Callan, Joseph

Near WTC

As I was going around the far side of the north tower, I then saw the second plane hit the south tower.

9110215

Chiafari, Joseph

Near WTC

We locked up the car, started heading across Church Street when we heard a roar of a jet engine, as if it was taking off in flight and we couldn't help but look into the sky to see exactly what it was and yes, it was a plane, just prior to striking the building and the engines were revved up fully. From that you saw it actually piercing the wall of the building with a large amount of fire coming from it. Of course, our immediate reaction as well as anybody else's in the street around us was to run and get the heck out of where we were.

9110355

Ottrando, John

Near WTC

I saw Battalion 2 in the lobby of the north tower. After that I stayed there a few more minutes, and then I went out to my company. We were stretching hose. I saw the second plane hit the south tower.

9110445

Spinard, Thomas

Near WTC - West Street

Plane 1: We got a box on Church and Leonard of an odor of gas. So Engine 7 and Ladder 1, Battalion 1, responds. It turned out to be a false alarm. As we were at the box, a plane passes us overhead real low. You could hear it; you could feel it. We turned around, and it just impacted the building, building one. With that, everybody got on the rig. We started driving.

Plane 2: While we were still in the middle of the street, another plane comes in, makes a big circle, comes around from like the Statue of Liberty direction, and hits two. We can't believe that another one is coming in. Joey got on the radio, "Another plane just hit the second tower."

6.1.6                     Witnesses near WTC Who Reported Hearing Plane 2 before impact (NOT on TV) – Query B4

File No

Witness Name

Plane 2 Sound Heard

Location of Witness when talking of Plane 2 (if known)

Account Text

9110001

Fitzpatrick, Thomas

outrageous noise

Dey Street Near WTC

We got across the Brooklyn Bridge, went down Broadway and stopped the car, I think it was at Broadway and Dey. We got out of the car and ran down the street. As we got to the intersection of Broadway and Dey or just a little bit down Dey, the second plane hit the south tower. And we continued down the street. By the time we got to the plaza, a lot of debris was coming down.
Q. Did you witness the second plane hitting?
A. I heard it but I didn't look up. The noise from the plane was enough to make you not want to look up. I thought the plane was actually going to land in the street to be honest with you. The noise was outrageous. When it hit the building it was even worse. I figured, as long as we didn't get hit by the plane, we were ahead of the game.

9110009

Murad, Murray

Tremendous Roar

West Street/Liberty St Near WTC

Plane 1: It was about 8:41 that we heard a plane hovering over the fire house. It sounded like the plane was right on top of us. At that time the captain was upstairs. He was taking a shower in the office and I was conducting the work with the firefighter. The captain came out and said: "What's going on? This is a no-fly zone. There should be no planes over here unless this is a military plane, a plane in trouble." Other than that, there was really no clue. .... Maybe about 10 to 12-minutes after that first plane, I heard another plane. Then I said to myself, we're being attacked. I ran downstairs. No sooner did I run downstairs and look up, that I saw the second plane strike the south tower. It was such a vicious hit and such a precision hit, it was unbelievable.

Q. Did you see or hear the second plane before it hit the World Trade Center?

A. I never actually saw the plane, but l heard it. You could hear it coming in and then we heard the explosion and you could hear the roar of the plane coming in. At first I didn't realize it was a plane. I thought it was like the roar of fire, like something had just incinerated, like a gas tank or an oil tank.

It sounded like a tremendous roar and then you heard boom and then there was a big fire, a lot of fire, a big fireball. I never actually saw a plane hit the building. I never saw that. I saw it on television, but I never saw it while I was standing there.

The building material was sort of gray and you could see it, you know, how it differed from the plane. I was listening to the tape this morning of the people calling up and they were describing the plane that hit the building. Actually, so many people saw it. They actually described the plane as it came in. They said it was a military-type plane and it was green and it was this. I mean, I never saw the color of the plane.

Q. Where were you when the second plane hit?

A. We were down at the command post between Liberty and Albany on the west side of West Street.

9110013

Bartolomey, Anthony

rumbling

corner of Vesey and Church Street near WTC

Numerous civilians were telling me that a plane had hit the building. There were discrepancies as to the type of planbe. Some were saying it was a Cessna or Leer jet type, a small jet plane. Some said it was a large passenger plane. One person actually said that it was like a military style plane that actually shot missiles into the building.... You look up and you see the flame of the plane hitting the second building. ... We actually saw the fireball shot out from the north side of that building.

9110014

Kagenaar, Chris

loud noise

Church Area near WTC

What happened was then the second plane hit the tower, and it was a loud noise, I mean, it hit, and at first I was like this can't be happening. It's like lightning doesn't strike twice. ....As I'm dropping off the patient, the FBI agent comes up to me and he says, oh, man, I just heard there's a third plane coming in.

9110035

Rivera, Daniel

thunderous noise

Near WTC - 1 yard away from the south tower building

As I was treating the patient with the laceration and the asthmatic patient, that's when the second plane hit. All I heard was just a thunderous noise. As I looked up, I saw a ball of flames coming down.

9110047

Cruz, Allan

rumble, vibration

Corner of Fulton and Church near WTC

As we were standing there, this one lady to my left grabbed me really really tight, my forearm, my left forearm, and we were both looking up at this fire. We both hear this rumble, and I felt a vibration, we looked slightly to the left, all of us, there's a whole bunch of us right next to my vehicle, and here comes this plane, a huge plane. The lady next to me says Oh my God, it's gonna hit the building. I didn't want to give her false information so I said Gee, I don't think so, well I hope not. I mean we're looking at it sort of in three dimensions, so I'm thinking it's gonna go behind the building. From where we're standing, it's gonna go right behind it, but it was too big and far too low. At that moment I said it's gonna hit, it's actually gonna hit. And it hit.

9110114

Holowach, Scott

Plane sound

Near WTC - Pedestrian Bridge,

Engine 3 drove south to the south pedestrian bridge to make a U turn to come back and as I'm walking towards the Engine to find out what Lieutenant Walsh wanted us to do, I heard the sound of a jet plane. I looked up and saw it pretty close and I was like holy shit. What's going on with the with the flight patterns. All of a sudden, the wings turned and it dove right into the building and it was screwed up. At that time Chief Ganci was behind me and he thought there was another explosion in the north tower and that's when I turned around and said Chief, listen, there is a second plane that hit the other tower. He was like no no no no, we have another explosion. I said no, Chief, I witnessed it. I watched the plane hit the other tower. He is like are you sure. I said Chief, I'm 100 hundred percent positive I watched the second plane hit the other tower.

9110134

Blacksberg, David

 

Across the street near WTC 1

We approached the building, and we heard some loud noise. We felt some rumbling, so we looked up, and there was another plane coming in. Went behind, I guess it banked around another building, so at that time we didn't really see it hit the building, but we heard it, and we felt it, and we saw it approaching. (Didn't report the plane actually impacting, however)

9110141

Mosiello, Steven

Throttling up

Near WTC

We parked on the corner of West and Vesey on the sidewalk. I gave Chief Ganci his gear. I took my gear. And we were setting up a command post, I believe it was in the street at that point, and somebody said -- I don't know who it was -- go over here by those two garages, where we eventually wound up setting up our command post in front of Two World Financial.

People actually saw the plane. You heard it, the closer it got. It just got louder and louder. I say that he throttled up as fast as he could. That's what it sounded like, but I think he became more in earshot of us. And he just came in and put the plane into the building.

9110142

Turi, Albert

Similar to jet taking off

Corner of Fulton and Church near WTC

I was putting on my pants and boots when I heard something similar to the sound of a jet aircraft taking off, and when I looked up I saw the impact of the second plane hitting the south tower and immediately an enormous fireball erupted that actually masked the entire upper half of the building and part of the north tower. It was so enormous that even from that great distance I could feel the radiant heat on my face.

9110149

Mejias, Michael

big rush, like low flying jet

World Financial Center near WTC

I hear a big rush, like a low flying jet and I see a massive explosion.

9110154

Nigro, Daniel

Loud Roar

West side of West Street Near WTC

At some point after our arrival and after we had moved to the west side of West Street, I heard a loud roar of a jet, looked up and saw the second plane impact the south tower.

9110156

Timothy, David

Loud like an engine roar

Between Fulton and Dey on Church St Near WTC

The next thing I heard was a loud like an engine roar. I looked up, and the next thing I knew I just saw -- I don't know if it was the tail end of the plane or what, but I saw something. When I looked up, I heard "boom."

9110164

Cunniffe, Sean

"the biggest noise I ever heard in my life"

Near WTC

The second plane came in. It was the biggest noise I ever heard in my life. Q. Did you see the plane? A. Yeah. We saw it, we heard it, we felt the heat from it, the debris.

9110188

Siebuhr, Laura

Low Hum

Near WTC

But I do remember hearing a very low very low hum in the background, which people will probably tell you different, but this is what I heard; and then just a massive explosion, and that was loud, because I was standing right underneath it when the second plane had hit. My partner ran and grabbed me by my arm and started yelling at me to run. So he was actually holding onto me and making me run quicker. Still I didn't know what was happening. I didn't know it was a plane. I just thought it was an explosion from the other tower. I didn't know a plane had hit.

9110198

Sudnik, John

Plane noise

Vesey Street near WTC

I did that and went back the way I came down Vesey Street. I guess I was around two-thirds of the way there and I ended up running into his driver who had his turnout gear. At that point that's when the second plane hit. I heard the noise of the plane coming in, and I heard the explosion. I looked up and felt the heat from the fire ball and everything like that.

9110200

Fortis, Joseph

Engine noise

Near WTC - Pedestrian Bridge

I believe at that time -- I can't even tell you the time frame. We actually heard like the engines I guess for the second plane coming in, and it just got louder and, boom, the second plane hit the other tower. We stood there and we watched. I guess like a fireball cloud came down. We were all standing on the corner I guess by the pedestrian bridge off the corner there with our equipment. We were just amazed in awe.

9110205

Donovan, Michael

 

Corner of Liberty and Church near WTC

We started to walk down Church Street in the direction of Liberty. We were at the corner of Liberty and Church just below Four World Trade Center when the second plane hit. Q. So you saw the second plane coming in? A. We heard the second plane. We couldn't see it because it was blocked by the buildings. We were actually still on Church Street. We heard the plane briefly, the earth shook, the buildings shook, a tremendous fireball overhead. I thought there was a bomb or an explosion. A tremendous fireball, flaming debris, pieces of the airplane, fuselage, landing gear, pieces of the building.

9110215

Chiafari, Joseph

Engines Revved

Near WTC

We locked up the car, started heading across Church Street when we heard a roar of a jet engine, as if it was taking off in flight and we couldn't help but look into the sky to see exactly what it was and yes, it was a plane, just prior to striking the building and the engines were revved up fully. From that you saw it actually piercing the wall of the building with a large amount of fire coming from it. Of course, our immediate reaction as well as anybody else's in the street around us was to run and get the heck out of where we were.

9110459

Walsh, James

 

West Street near WTC

As I was coming up West Street, I started hearing sounds getting very loud, and I never bothered to look back because the sound got extremely loud. It was the roar of the jet plane, which I didn't really know. It was the airliner coming in. I remember running back up West Street towards where my chauffeur was from the high-rise rig, and running at the same time I was trying to get down at the same time it seemed like.
Then I heard the explosion, continued running up to Scott, and I said what was that? I was under the impression that maybe it was a fighter plane because it got so loud. He said, no, another airliner just hit the south tower. I turned and looked and I could see all the damage already.

 

6.1.7                     Witnesses near WTC who Reported Both Seeing and Hearing Plane 2 Before Impact (Query B5)

File No

Witness Name

Plane 2 Sound Heard

Location of Witness when talking of Plane 2 (if known)

Account Text

9110047

Cruz, Allan

rumble, vibration

Corner of Fulton and Church near WTC

As we were standing there, this one lady to my left grabbed me really really tight, my forearm, my left forearm, and we were both looking up at this fire. We both hear this rumble, and I felt a vibration, we looked slightly to the left, all of us, there's a whole bunch of us right next to my vehicle, and here comes this plane, a huge plane. The lady next to me says Oh my God, it's gonna hit the building. I didn't want to give her false information so I said Gee, I don't think so, well I hope not. I mean we're looking at it sort of in three dimensions, so I'm thinking it's gonna go behind the building. From where we're standing, it's gonna go right behind it, but it was too big and far too low. At that moment I said it's gonna hit, it's actually gonna hit. And it hit.

9110114

Holowach, Scott

Plane sound

Near WTC - Pedestrian Bridge,

Engine 3 drove south to the south pedestrian bridge to make a U turn to come back and as I'm walking towards the Engine to find out what Lieutenant Walsh wanted us to do, I heard the sound of a jet plane. I looked up and saw it pretty close and I was like holy shit. What's going on with the with the flight patterns. All of a sudden, the wings turned and it dove right into the building and it was screwed up. At that time Chief Ganci was behind me and he thought there was another explosion in the north tower and that's when I turned around and said Chief, listen, there is a second plane that hit the other tower. He was like no no no no, we have another explosion. I said no, Chief, I witnessed it. I watched the plane hit the other tower. He is like are you sure. I said Chief, I'm 100 hundred percent positive I watched the second plane hit the other tower.

9110134

Blacksberg, David

 

Across the street near WTC 1

We approached the building, and we heard some loud noise. We felt some rumbling, so we looked up, and there was another plane coming in. Went behind, I guess it banked around another building, so at that time we didn't really see it hit the building, but we heard it, and we felt it, and we saw it approaching. (Didn't report the plane actually impacting, however)

9110142

Turi, Albert

Similar to jet taking off

Corner of Fulton and Church near WTC

I was putting on my pants and boots when I heard something similar to the sound of a jet aircraft taking off, and when I looked up I saw the impact of the second plane hitting the south tower and immediately an enormous fireball erupted that actually masked the entire upper half of the building and part of the north tower. It was so enormous that even from that great distance I could feel the radiant heat on my face.

9110154

Nigro, Daniel

Loud Roar

West side of West Street Near WTC

At some point after our arrival and after we had moved to the west side of West Street, I heard a loud roar of a jet, looked up and saw the second plane impact the south tower.

9110156

Timothy, David

Loud like an engine roar

Between Fulton and Dey on Church St Near WTC

The next thing I heard was a loud like an engine roar. I looked up, and the next thing I knew I just saw -- I don't know if it was the tail end of the plane or what, but I saw something. When I looked up, I heard "boom."

9110164

Cunniffe, Sean

"the biggest noise I ever heard in my life"

Near WTC

The second plane came in. It was the biggest noise I ever heard in my life. Q. Did you see the plane? A. Yeah. We saw it, we heard it, we felt the heat from it, the debris.

9110215

Chiafari, Joseph

Engines Revved

Near WTC

We locked up the car, started heading across Church Street when we heard a roar of a jet engine, as if it was taking off in flight and we couldn't help but look into the sky to see exactly what it was and yes, it was a plane, just prior to striking the building and the engines were revved up fully. From that you saw it actually piercing the wall of the building with a large amount of fire coming from it. Of course, our immediate reaction as well as anybody else's in the street around us was to run and get the heck out of where we were.

 

6.1.8                     Witnesses INSIDE WTC Who Reported Hearing Plane 2 before impact (NOT on TV) – (Query B8)

File No

Witness Name

Plane 2 Sound Heard

Account Text

9110342

Ippolito, James

Screeching Sound like a train derailing

If I can interject, before we entered the second -- before we entered the tower, I -- me and Mike Kehoe, another guy who was working in the company me, we heard a screeching sound, sounded maybe like a train derailing or something, and what they're telling us now is -- the time frame we saw in the paper, we think that was the second plane hitting. That was once we were entering the building.

9110414

Brogan, Derek

 

Plane 1: As we were taken up from the box, we were backing out of 19th Street, and we heard a plane go over our heads. So me and the backup man, Jimmy Andruzzi, looked at each other. We realized it was low.

Plane 2: Just as everyone was starting to walk towards the center stair, which was the only stair we thought led up to the upper floors, we heard the next plane hit the other building. We looked out the windows at the reflection on the Financial Center and saw the fire plume coming down.

 

6.2                          Witnesses to Plane 2 (before impact) – those further than ½ mile of WTC Complex

6.2.1                     Those further than ½ mile of WTC Complex Who Saw Plane 2

File No

Witness Name

Location of Witness when talking of Plane 2 (if known)

Account Text

9110010

Mulqueen, Tracey

8th Floor - Fire Department headquarters in 8E13

I was watching for a few minutes, and the second plane came in.

9110040

Cooke, Alan

Battalion 31 Parking Lot

Then while I was standing in the parking lot, that's when I saw the plane crash into the second tower.

9110071

Abed, Faisel

Half Mile from WTC

But then we are driving and now we are like, we are about a half mile out, halfway from the World Trade Center and we see this shiny object coming and me and my partner are going, what the hell, what's wrong with that plane. What is wrong with that plane. There is something not right with that plane. And he just -- the tower blew.

9110076

Stone, Mark

Coming out of Battery Tunnel (driving)

We came up right out of the tunnel. I was looking up to see if I could do a little more initial size up. That is when I saw the second plane hit the building. I just watched it coming in.

9110086

Medjuck, Bruce

Brooklyn Bridge (driving)

Just as we came out of the bridge, we could see again the towers also with the plane come and slam into tower two. There was like a little bit of delay, and then all of a sudden this fire ball just shot out of the opposite side of the tower.

9110120

Maggiore, Dominick

Brooklyn-Queens Expressway (I-278)

I saw the second plane hit the towers from the BQE.

9110121

Diaz, Jr., Roland

Bruckner Interchange

We were at the Bruckner Interchange when I saw the second plane hit the second tower.

9110122

Constantine, Peter

West Side Highway (not sure how far away, probably north)

As we started heading down the West Side Highway, we saw the second plane, we saw both towers on fire.

9110127

Monchery, Alwish

Crossing 59th street bridge

When we get the call to go over the bridge (I'm not too sure about the time) when we're on the bridge there's plenty of traffic. That's when we noticed the second plane hitting tower two.

9110135

Pastor, Frank

Brooklyn

All of is sudden my partner says to me, "Frankie, that plane seems to be low." Q. What unit were you working that day? A. We were working 32 boy in Red Hook. We had the view of the city, and she yells out, "Frank, that plane just hit the building."... Mala, saying again to me, "That other plane is low." I don't know how much time, 10, 15 minutes, and we seen the other plane hit.

9110148

D'angelo, Michael

BQE extension

Then as I made it through traffic and I was going over the BQE extension to get back on to the Battery Tunnel, I looked and I saw the second plane hit the building.

9110175

Mendez, John

Nine Metrotech, Brooklyn

The next thing you know, we saw another plane hit the building. A ball of flame came out, and actually the concussion shook our building. We felt the concussion from it.

9110184

Brady, Greg

Coming out of Battery Park tunnel

As we were proceeding through the Battery Park tunnel, as we came out, we saw the second plane hit the south tower. At that time, traffic was very dense and it was very hard to get through.

9110186

Harrilal, Mala

Red Hook

There was a second plane circling the building and I kept saying why is he so near the building? Within minutes, before even talking about it, he just like slammed into the second building.

9110192

Deshore, Karin

59 Street bridge

At the beginning of the 59 Street bridge, the second airliner hit and we witnessed it.

9110194

Mann, Bradley

Heading Towards WTC

I would say probably about maybe a half hour or so later all of a sudden we heard a roar. And I looked at Lieutenant Nevins and he looked at me, and we looked up. And the next thing we knew there was another plane, and it crashed into the other tower.

9110202

Darnowski, Kevin

Near Battery Tunnel

Right before the tolls on the Brooklyn side heading towards Manhattan at the Battery Tunnel, we were sitting in traffic and we watched United Flight 175 hit tower two, which was the south tower of the World Trade Center.

9110230

Delendick, FatherJohn

Near tunnel on Hamilton Avenue

Were you there when the second plane hit? A. No. When the second plane hit, I was still in Brooklyn. I was trying to get through the tunnel on Hamilton Avenue. We saw the plane, but I never saw it hit. I remember saying to myself, boy, that guy is awful low in the pattern. I remember saying something really stupid like, you know, did he come down to see what happened with the first one? It never dawned on me that he was heading for the other tower, but that's where it was headed.

9110242

Zechewytz, Mike

Firehouse, Safety Command

He goes, "Zech, look," and we saw the other plane going from left to right with its nose down. So then we ran back in the kitchen, and then maybe 30 seconds later the news said that a bomb went off in the second building. But then they saw in slow motion it was a plane. So that was the plane that we saw go into it.

9110245

Hazel, Michael

Columbia Street driving towards battery tunnel

You couldn't tell at that point it was a jet. I thought originally it was a publicity stunt, especially after that guy with the parachute who got caught in the Statue of Liberty. I figured it was just some guy who was trying to fly between the towers and got lost because it really didn't look like that big a hole. So a few minutes later we responded. We were sent a ticket and we responded, but to the Battery Tunnel, to the staging area. We didn't go directly to the Trade Center. On the way to the Battery Tunnel, we're driving along Columbia Street and I'm sitting across from the proby, and as we're talking and I'm preparing him for the events, what to expect at this job we're going to go to, he just says to me, "Look at this dummy. He's flying underneath the smoke instead of over it." With that I turned to my right and looked at the Twin Towers and I saw the second jet hit.

9110249

Muschello, Dominick

Firehouse - Ladder Company 119

As we watched the fire from the third floor, we saw the second plane fly right into the center of the building clear as day, because there were about two or three of us up in the gym at that point.

9110263

Rybak, Stanley

23rd Street

We did see a flash, which we didn't know was the second -- at that time, we didn't know if that was the second plane hitting. We were probably on about 23rd Street, crossing 23rd Street, when we saw the flash, and we had -- again, crossing 23rd Street, I saw the flash of the -- now I know was the second plane hitting.

9110274

Gschlecht, Charles

Chambers Street

About when we got to Chambers Street, by the college, we saw the second plane hit the World Trade Center. I told my partner slow down and wait to see if the building was going to collapse right away, because you could see it swaying. After a couple of minutes of waiting, we didn't see it collapse, so we started heading in further.

9110286

Sullivan, Joseph

Columbia Street

En route to the staging area, we were going down Columbia Street, saw the second plane strike the building

9110308

Kozlowski, George

Ladder 20 Firehouse

We saw the plane coming over, sort of over quarters and then the initial crash. We heard the initial crash.

9110322

Galasso, Joseph

Engine 212 Firehouse

So we came up here to look out the window, and we saw it. We watched the second plane hit. Just as the second plane hit, that's when we received the alarm.

9110323

Murphy, James

Engine Company 212 Firehouse

Then we saw the second one come up. It looked like it was coming up the East River from here. I guess it was coming from the south. I thought it banked over the East River, which is what it looked like. I thought it made a left over the East River and went right into it going from east to west. But as it turns out, it came from the south. Then we saw it just go right into the building and explode. I remember talking to Eric. I remember Eric saying something, "Oh, my God, there's another plane." I was saying to him, "That plane is closer to us. It's really not a big plane going towards the building." Two seconds later it rammed into the building. You don't expect it. We just freaked.

9110349

Loper, David

Brooklyn Heights, underneath the promenade

Anyway, it's then that I was looking at the north tower that I saw what I thought looked like a seagull in the distance almost and it went into the south tower and the south tower exploded in a huge fire ball. I just told my chauffeur, "Stop for a minute. Stop the rig." And he just slammed the brakes and we just looked and it didn't strike me as to what happened. I still thought -- I said to him, at that point, "The gas tanks exploded from the plane." That's what I thought it was at that point. It wasn't until afterwards that I realized it was a whole second plane at that time. And I didn't realize that until a couple of days later. It just didn't make sense to me.

9110417

Zasa, Stephen

Pier near Bay Street

Upon that time I heard a plane roar. I had my window down and on my side we saw a plane flying very low come right across us and with a loud, you know, the engines revved up, and I had mentioned to him, I had no idea that it was heading towards that way, and I just said like where is this guy going, you know, he was extremely low, not realizing it was another plane heading towards the World Trade, and we saw it struck the building, we saw a big mushroom of flame, of fire coming up, and it was like disbelief, and he had gotten on the radio and notified the dispatcher another plane had struck the World Trade Center.

9110418

Vallebuona, Tom

Quarters of Marine 9 (Across bay)

So from there we went down to the quarters of Marine 9, and we were watching across the bay. We could see the fire in the north tower, when the next plane that was going to hit the south tower flew over our heads.
I called up the dispatcher to volunteer to go to the first one, and after the plane went over our heads we were notified to relocate to the 32 Battalion.

9110431

O'Flaherty, Brian

Marine Division Firehouse

Just then out of the corner of my eye, I could see this plane. I just remember the dark. It was in the shadow. It looked low. I thought, "What the heck is the guy doing?" I watched it, watched him turn and crash right into the south tower. Right away I knew it was terrorism or terrorists. I didn't know what the first one was, but I knew what the second one was .

9110485

Pierce, Joel

Kent Street

So I told my partner, who was driving that day, to drive down to the waterfront somewhere by Kent, and I believe we came off of North 12th. As we rounded the turn, we saw the north tower on fire and we were just awestruck by what we saw. We parked the vehicle on Kent, got out, stood there. My partner called his wife. I just stood there staring, and then I watched eventually the second plane, I saw it. It looked like it was circling coming south, then came back north, striking the south side of Tower No. 2.

9110488

Burke, Timothy

Brooklyn Battery Tunnel

Then they called us to a staging area around quarter to nine, I think, which would be the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel. From the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel staging area, we watched the second plane come in.
As soon as the second plane came in, they sent us into the tunnel.

6.2.2                     Those further than ½ mile of WTC Complex Who heard Plane 2

File No

Witness Name

Plane 2 Sound Heard

Location of Witness when talking of Plane 2 (if known)

Account Text

9110194

Mann, Bradley

Roar

Heading Towards WTC

I would say probably about maybe a half hour or so later all of a sudden we heard a roar. And I looked at Lieutenant Nevins and he looked at me, and we looked up. And the next thing we knew there was another plane, and it crashed into the other tower.

9110417

Zasa, Stephen

 

Pier near Bay Street

Upon that time I heard a plane roar. I had my window down and on my side we saw a plane flying very low come right across us and with a loud, you know, the engines revved up, and I had mentioned to him, I had no idea that it was heading towards that way, and I just said like where is this guy going, you know, he was extremely low, not realizing it was another plane heading towards the World Trade, and we saw it struck the building, we saw a big mushroom of flame, of fire coming up, and it was like disbelief, and he had gotten on the radio and notified the dispatcher another plane had struck the World Trade Center.

6.3                          Other Analyses

6.3.1                     Witnesses Near WTC Who Weren’t Initially Sure They Saw a Plane Crash on the 2nd Impact (Query D2)

File No

Witness Name

Location of Witness when talking of Plane 2 (if known)

Account Text

9110004

Delgado, Manuel

Corner of West Broadway Near WTC

as soon as we arrived, 84, a massive explosion goes off, and at this point we didn't know what it was. We thought it was a secondary explosion. We didn't know that it was a second plane. In fact, I didn't know there was a second plane until much later in the evening.

9110043

D'amato, Frank

corner of West and Vesey near WTC

When we got out of the vehicle, we opened the trunk, we put our helmets on and our jackets. At that time we heard another explosion which I thought was a secondary explosion, but which I later found it out was a second plane that hit.

9110151

Loutsky, Alexander

West Side Highway near WTC

Plane 1: I would say around Pearl Street, we had a view of the World Trade Center, which was only a few blocks away and I stopped him and I said to look at that plane, that it was flying extremely low and that it looked like it was about to hit. A few seconds later it did hit.

Plane 2: Around that time, I didn't at the time realize it, but from where we were at, which was right in front of the World Trade Center on the West Side Highway area, there was an explosion and a lot of debris started coming down. Apparently that was the second plane that hit.

9110157

Broderick, Richard

West St and Vesey Street Near WTC

I think what happened was when we left West Street and Vesey, I assume that is when the second plane hit the tower. I was told that later on, the second plane hit the tower, and I saw it on TV for the people with cameras.


 

7.                                  Appendix C - List of Witness Accounts/File Numbers

File No

Name

Occupation

Interview Date

Notes

9110071

Abed, Faisel

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

10/12/2001

 

9110463

Abril, Roberto

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

1/17/02

 

9110181

Adams, Paul

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

11/01/2001

 

9110130

Albuerme, Eloy

Lieutenant (E.M.S.)

10/23/01

 

9110265

Altini, Steven

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/07/2001

 

9110421

Amato, John

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

01/02/2002

 

9110062

Asaeda, Glen

Civilian (E.M.S.)

10/11/2001

 

9110478

Ashby, Phillip

Paramedic (E.M.S.)

1/22/02

 

9110204

Attanasio, Christopher

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

11/09/2001

 

9110495

Badillo, Benjamin

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

1/24/02

 

9110248

Bailey, Stuart

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/06/2001

 

9110253

Banaciski, Richard

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/06/2001

 

9110464

Barrett, Kevin

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

1/17/02

 

9110428

Barry, Albert

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

01/09/2002

 

9110013

Bartolomey, Anthony

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

10/09/2001

 

9110105

Basile, James

Division Commander (E.M.S.)

10/17/01

 

9110254

Battista, Richard

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/06/2001

 

9110326

Beck, Paul

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/12/2001

 

9110019

Becker, Brian

Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.)

10/09/2001

 

9110357

Beehler, Michael

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/17/01

 

9110335

Bell, Jody

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

12/15/01

 

9110359

Beltrami, Dean

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/17/01

 

9110083

Bendick, Thomas

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

10/15/01

 

9110221

Berntsen, Eric

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/04/2001

 

9110503

Bessler, Paul

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

1/21/02

 

9110031

Billy, Richard

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

10/10/2001

 

9110134

Blacksberg, David

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

10/23/01

 

9110137

Blaich, Charles

Deputy Chief (F.D.N.Y.)

10/23/01

 Was home on medical leave on 9/11

9110302

Boeri, Richard

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/10/2001

 

9110427

Bohack, Robert

Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.)

01/09/2002

 

9110426

Borrillo, Nicholas

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

01/09/2002

 

9110184

Brady, Greg

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

11/01/2001

 

9110321

Breen, John

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/12/2001

 

9110291

Brodbeck, Michael

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/10/2001

 

9110157

Broderick, Richard

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

10/25/01

 

9110414

Brogan, Derek

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/28/01

 

9110328

Brosnan, Neil

Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.)

12/12/2001

 

9110272

Brown, Peter

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/07/2001

 

9110346

Brown, Sean

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/14/01

 

9110458

Brown, Timothy

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

1/15/02

 

9110155

Browne, Robert

Deputy Chief (E.M.S.)

10/24/01

 

9110092

Brynes, Adam

Lieutenant (E.M.S.)

10/16/01

 

9110067

Buonocore, Vincent

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

10/12/2001

 

9110056

Burbano, George

Paramedic (E.M.S.)

10/11/2001

 

9110177

Burgos, Freddy

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

10/31/01

 

9110488

Burke, Timothy

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

1/22/02

 

9110432

Butler, John

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

01/09/2002

 

9110381

Butler, Michael

Assistant Chief (F.D.N.Y.)

12/21/01

 

9110500

Byrne, Michael

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

1/21/02

 

9110266

Byrne, Robert

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/07/2001

 

9110206

Byrnes, Robert

Fire Marshall (F.D.N.Y.)

11/14/01

 

9110153

Cacciola, Grace

Lieutenant (E.M.S.)

10/24/01

 

9110251

Cachia, Edward

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/06/2001

 

9110082

Cachia, Peter

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

10/15/01

 

9110085

Cahill, Joseph

Paramedic (E.M.S.)

10/15/01

 

9110143

Cahill, Michael

Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.)

10/17/01

 

9110373

Cain, Michael

Fire Marshall (F.D.N.Y.)

12/20/01

 

9110195

Callan, Joseph

Citywide Tour Commander (F.D.N.Y.)

11/02/2001

 Relieved Chief Donald Burns as the Citywide Tour Commander

9110318

Camacho, Fernando

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/12/2001

 

9110224

Campagna, Frank

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/04/2001

 

9110370

Canham, James

Sergeant (F.D.N.Y.)

12/18/01

 

9110419

Carletti, Richard

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

01/02/2002

 

9110237

Carlock, Owen

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/05/2001

 Detailed on the day of the incident to Engine 220

9110505

Carlsen, Craig

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

1/25/02

 

9110089

Carrasquillo, Pedro

EMS command (E.M.S.)

10/16/01

 

9110430

Casaliggi, Joseph

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

01/09/2002

 

9110239

Casey, Gerard

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/05/2001

 

9110316

Casey, James

Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.)

12/12/2001

 

9110352

Casey, William

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/17/01

 

9110011

Cassano, Salvatore

Chief (F.D.N.Y.)

10/04/2001

 Was citywide tour commander on 9/11

9110413

Cassidy, Tiernach

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/30/01

 

9110398

Castellano, Pete

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/27/01

 

9110366

Ceriello, John

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/17/01

 

9110486

Charles, Jason

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

1/23/02

 

9110475

Chelsen, Roy

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

1/18/02

 

9110036

Cherrington, Andre

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

10/10/2001

 

9110280

Chesney, William

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/10/2001

 

9110215

Chiafari, Joseph

Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.)

12/03/2001

 

9110362

Chillemi, Salvatore

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/17/01

 

9110348

Chyriwski, Robert

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/14/01

 Responded with Engine 3 and the high

9110415

Cifu, Ronald

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/28/01

 

9110499

Cimillo, William

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

1/24/02

 

9110306

Cira, David

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

12/13/01

 

9110046

Cirillo, Brian

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

10/11/2001

 

9110264

Citarella, John

Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.)

12/07/2001

 

9110018

Claes, Marcel

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

10/09/2001

 Was on the stairs in the north tower

9110250

Clarke, Charles

Captain (F.D.N.Y.)

12/06/2001

 

9110058

Cohen, Marc

Paramedic (E.M.S.)

10/11/2001

 

9110252

Colon, John

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/06/2001

 

9110425

Congiusta, Frank

Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.)

01/08/2002

 

9110487

Conlon, Paul

Captain (F.D.N.Y.)

1/23/02

 

9110453

Connolly, Patrick

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

1/13/02

 

9110122

Constantine, Peter

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

10/22/01

 

9110457

Conzo, Joseph

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

1/16/02

 

9110103

Cook, Louis

Paramedic (E.M.S.)

10/17/01

 

9110165

Cook, Robert

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

10/25/01

 

9110040

Cooke, Alan

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

10/10/2001

 

9110049

Coutsouros, Dean

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

10/11/2001

 

9110406

Coyle, John

Fire Marshall (F.D.N.Y.)

12/28/01

 

9110395

Coyne, Ronald

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

12/28/01

 

9110476

Cronick, Kevin

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

1/18/02

 

9110179

Cruthers, Frank

Chief (F.D.N.Y.)

10/31/01

 

9110047

Cruz, Allan

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

10/11/2001

 

9110107

Culley, JohnKevin

Captain (F.D.N.Y.)

10/17/01

 Was going to work area on 23rd floor at 7 World Trade Center on 9/11

9110164

Cunniffe, Sean

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

10/26/01

 

9110412

Curran, James

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/30/01

 

9110369

Curran, Paul

Fire Patrolman (F.D.N.Y.)

12/18/01

 

9110043

D'amato, Frank

Captain (E.M.S.)

10/11/2001

 

9110148

D'angelo, Michael

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

10/24/01

 

9110202

Darnowski, Kevin

Paramedic (E.M.S.)

11/09/2001

 

9110070

David, Roy

Lieutenant (E.M.S.)

10/12/2001

 

9110075

Davila, Rene

Lieutenant (E.M.S.)

10/12/2001

 

9110220

Davis, Edward

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/04/2001

 

9110454

Davis, Kenneth

Paramedic (E.M.S.)

1/15/02

 

9110230

Delendick, FatherJohn

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/04/2001

 

9110004

Delgado, Manuel

Paramedic (E.M.S.)

10/02/2001

 

9110507

DeMaio, Anthony

Civilian (E.M.S.)

1/28/02

 

9110331

Demarco, Diane

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

12/14/01

 

9110064

Derubbio, Dominick

Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.)

10/12/2001

 

9110091

Desena, Lisa

Paramedic (E.M.S.)

10/16/01

 

9110192

Deshore, Karin

Captain (E.M.S.)

11/07/2001

 

9110129

Desimone, George

Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.)

10/22/01

 

9110121

Diaz, Jr., Roland

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

10/22/01

 

9110465

Diaz, Moussa

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

1/17/02

 

9110174

Dinh, Trinh

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

10/31/01

 

9110385

Dipaolo, Paul

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/26/01

 

9110166

Dixon, Brian

Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.)

10/25/01

 

9110471

Donato, Thomas

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

1/17/02

 

9110205

Donovan, Michael

Captain (F.D.N.Y.)

11/09/2001

 

9110023

Dorritie, Robert

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

10/09/2001

 

9110299

Dorritie, Robert

Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.)

12/11/2001

(Duplicate?)

9110440

Drumm, John

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

01/10/2002

 

9110098

Drury, James

Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.)

10/16/01

 

9110444

Duffy, James

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

1/14/02

 

9110345

Duggan, Kevin

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/14/01

 

9110490

Dunne, Craig

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

1/22/02

 

9110269

Ellis, Stephen

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/07/2001

 

9110025

Erdy, Richard

E.M.T. D. (E.M.S.)

10/10/2001

 

9110460

Escoffery, Kenneth

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

1/16/02

 

9110227

Faccilonga, Keith

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/04/2001

 

9110388

Fallucca, Peter

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/26/01

 

9110320

Farrington, Francis

Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.)

12/12/2001

 

9110508

Felice, Michael

Civilian (E.M.S.)

1/28/02

 

9110201

Felidi, John

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

11/09/2001

 

9110044

Felitti, Pasquale

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

10/11/2001

 

9110217

Fellini, Frank

Chief (F.D.N.Y.)

12/03/2001

 

9110041

Felton, Jarjean

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

10/10/2001

 

9110351

Fenton, David

Captain (E.M.S.)

12/18/01

 

9110295

Fenyo, Christopher

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/11/2001

 

9110304

Ferrell, Nicole

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

12/13/01

 

9110492

Ferretti, Douglas

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

1/24/02

 

9110329

Ferriolo, Steve

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/12/2001

 

9110063

Fiorentino, Vincent

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

10/12/2001

 

9110402

Fischer, Dennis

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/28/01

 

9110256

Fitzpatrick, Brian

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/06/2001

 

9110001

Fitzpatrick, Thomas

Deputy Commissioner for Administration (F.D.N.Y.)

10/01/2001

 

9110390

Fody, James

Captain (F.D.N.Y.)

12/26/01

 

9110200

Fortis, Joseph

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

11/09/2001

 

9110087

Fraser, Charles

Lieutenant (E.M.S.)

10/16/01

 

9110403

Fredrickson, Todd

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/28/01

 

9110140

Gaby, Thomas

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

10/23/01

 

9110310

Gaffney, Charles

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/10/2001

 

9110322

Galasso, Joseph

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/12/2001

 

9110197

Galvin, Thomas

Deputy Chief (F.D.N.Y.)

11/07/2001

 

9110356

Ganassa, Edward

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/17/01

 

9110002

Garcia, MarshalLouis

Chief Fire Marshall (F.D.N.Y.)

10/02/2001

 

9110065

Gates, Gary

Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.)

10/12/2001

 

9110146

Gattas, Immaculada

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

10/17/01

 

9110257

Giaconelli, Louis

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

12/06/2001

 

9110436

Giammarino, Peter

Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

01/09/2002

 

9110150

Goldbach, Ray

Captain (F.D.N.Y.)

10/24/01

 

9110145

Goldfarb, Zachary

Division Chief (E.M.S.)

10/23/01

 

9110100

Gombo, Jerry

Assistant Chief (E.M.S.)

10/17/01

 

9110131

Gonzalez, Arturo

Paramedic (E.M.S.)

10/23/01

 

9110171

Gordon, Brian

E.M.T. (E.M.S.)

10/30/01

 

9110420

Gorman, Gerard